New Pigments 2 Thread (On Topic Discussion Only, Please)

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arovane1
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37 posts since 22 Sep, 2017 from germany

Post Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:00 am

thanks a lot @rezoneight! glad you like the sounds.

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Sampleconstruct
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15319 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there

Post Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:26 am

A single Pigments 2 patch, engine 1 using a simple wavetable, engine 2 using a multi-sampled synth pad with x-fade looping. Automating the 4 assigned Macros and the modulation wheel in Logic X.

https://youtu.be/RSiWxjiV6X0

clipnotic
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429 posts since 19 Sep, 2007 from Germany

Post Sat Jul 18, 2020 2:35 am

zvenx wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:24 am
Taste as always is personal.
This is my favourite bank for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Fybwb ... e=emb_logo

ymmv

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Yes, Luftrum is good, especially for ambient and cinema stuff.
arovane1 wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:56 am
@clipnotic. sounds/ presets are a matter of taste..but maybe you like this one with focus on the granular engine:
https://youtu.be/3KHdSNos7JY
Yes, nice atmos and pads, also good for Ambient.

Both are good! :tu:
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10166 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:28 pm

Ever thought of making your own sounds? It takes a lot less effort than wading through banks of other people's work.
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rezoneight
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325 posts since 18 Feb, 2004

Post Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:52 pm

BONES wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:28 pm
Ever thought of making your own sounds? It takes a lot less effort than wading through banks of other people's work.
No.

Just joking. But it takes a hell of a lot less time to flip thru someone else's presets than making your own. It's also a fantastic way to learn. And some people just don't want to bother. They'd rather start with someone else's sound and tweak or just use as is.

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10166 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:11 am

I find the exact opposite. I can easily spend an hour trying to find a sound that I could probably make for myself in 10 minutes.
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VariKusBrainZ
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9201 posts since 16 Dec, 2002

Post Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:17 am

rezoneight wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:52 pm
BONES wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:28 pm
Ever thought of making your own sounds? It takes a lot less effort than wading through banks of other people's work.
No.

Just joking. But it takes a hell of a lot less time to flip thru someone else's presets than making your own. It's also a fantastic way to learn. And some people just don't want to bother. They'd rather start with someone else's sound and tweak or just use as is.
My bug bear with all synths with built in effects is most don't allow you to lock them off when flipping through presets.

Was demoing some new Chromophone presets I got yesterday and gave up. All drenched in effects that take multiple clicks to disable. I don't want your cheesy effect chains godamnit!
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2138 posts since 17 Sep, 2016

Post Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:35 am

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:17 am

My bug bear with all synths with built in effects is most don't allow you to lock them off when flipping through presets.

Was demoing some new Chromophone presets I got yesterday and gave up. All drenched in effects that take multiple clicks to disable. I don't want your cheesy effect chains godamnit!
You got a point there! :clap:
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15316 posts since 7 Sep, 2008

Post Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:40 am

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:17 am
rezoneight wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:52 pm
BONES wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:28 pm
Ever thought of making your own sounds? It takes a lot less effort than wading through banks of other people's work.
No.

Just joking. But it takes a hell of a lot less time to flip thru someone else's presets than making your own. It's also a fantastic way to learn. And some people just don't want to bother. They'd rather start with someone else's sound and tweak or just use as is.
My bug bear with all synths with built in effects is most don't allow you to lock them off when flipping through presets.

Was demoing some new Chromophone presets I got yesterday and gave up. All drenched in effects that take multiple clicks to disable. I don't want your cheesy effect chains godamnit!
Well...

Add an automation lane to disable the FX and then scroll through. Yes it’s a pain but it’s a set once and forget affair. If you have a project template include a Pigments test track in there.
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simon.a.billington
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1911 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Post Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:25 am

perpetual3 wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:05 pm
I would just like a sub oscillator in dual wavetable mode.
Actually, that sounds reasonable. I’d like that too.

simon.a.billington
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1911 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Post Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:30 am

rezoneight wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:52 pm
BONES wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:28 pm
Ever thought of making your own sounds? It takes a lot less effort than wading through banks of other people's work.
No.

Just joking. But it takes a hell of a lot less time to flip thru someone else's presets than making your own. It's also a fantastic way to learn. And some people just don't want to bother. They'd rather start with someone else's sound and tweak or just use as is.
Yeah I agree, plus other presets can provide you with inspiration to make your own. When you have the opportunity it can be good to create your own, but it’s time consuming nonetheless and nothing that should be done while trying to write and arrange. That can really kill the flow.

Although, quick adjustments are to be expected.

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10166 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:07 am

First of all, I was not suggesting presets are a waste of time, I was responding to the notion that any VSTi you buy today doesn't come with enough of them and you need to buy more. Somewhere around 100 is the sweet spot - enough to show off what a synth can do without repeating yourself. Once you get much beyond that number, all you are getting is duplication of ideas with maybe a subtle change here or there. e.g. Yesterday I was going through some of ANA's presets and in two places were 5 patches, all with the same name and a number, BlahBlah-1 to BlahBlah-5 sort of thing, and on both occasions it was like the first one had the cutoff at 10%, the second at 15%, the 3rd at 20%, etc. It was completely pointless and you will find in pretty much any synth you want to go through that there will be dozens of patches that are so similar to another patch (or anther 10 patches) that there is no point in them being there at all. How many sad brass patches, for example, does one synth really need in order to provide you with that inspiration you are looking for?

That's why I have got into the habit of saving out patches I like into a separate folder as I work through the presets on a new synth. On something that I really like, I might find as many as a dozen great sounds in the presets, although mostly I struggle to find more than four or five. I think Equator probably holds the record - I found more than 20 presets I thought would be useful to us amongst its factory sounds. I found more than a dozen from Union, too, where with Pigments I could only find half-a-dozen good ones and all the Pigments patches I've used are ones I have made myself from scratch.

On the point of which takes longer, I cannot imagine how stupid you would have to be for it to take longer to create your own patches than to trawl through 400 presets looking for the right sound.
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rezoneight
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325 posts since 18 Feb, 2004

Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:21 am

BONES wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:07 am
First of all, I was not suggesting presets are a waste of time, I was responding to the notion that any VSTi you buy today doesn't come with enough of them and you need to buy more. Somewhere around 100 is the sweet spot - enough to show off what a synth can do without repeating yourself. Once you get much beyond that number, all you are getting is duplication of ideas with maybe a subtle change here or there. e.g. Yesterday I was going through some of ANA's presets and in two places were 5 patches, all with the same name and a number, BlahBlah-1 to BlahBlah-5 sort of thing, and on both occasions it was like the first one had the cutoff at 10%, the second at 15%, the 3rd at 20%, etc. It was completely pointless and you will find in pretty much any synth you want to go through that there will be dozens of patches that are so similar to another patch (or anther 10 patches) that there is no point in them being there at all. How many sad brass patches, for example, does one synth really need in order to provide you with that inspiration you are looking for?

That's why I have got into the habit of saving out patches I like into a separate folder as I work through the presets on a new synth. On something that I really like, I might find as many as a dozen great sounds in the presets, although mostly I struggle to find more than four or five. I think Equator probably holds the record - I found more than 20 presets I thought would be useful to us amongst its factory sounds. I found more than a dozen from Union, too, where with Pigments I could only find half-a-dozen good ones and all the Pigments patches I've used are ones I have made myself from scratch.

On the point of which takes longer, I cannot imagine how stupid you would have to be for it to take longer to create your own patches than to trawl through 400 presets looking for the right sound.
So two things: I would hope nobody goes through 400 presets every single time they need a sound. Like you I catalog everything once when I get something new, and I suspect most people do the same thing. No need to trawl through 400 presets. Two, it has nothing to do with "stupid". Some people don't want to program sounds. Some people just don't know enough about how something works. That's not stupid, that's ignorance. There is a big difference. And quite frankly some people are just damned good at making sounds.

For me personally I'll buy one or two preset packs from notable sound designers if they're available for a VST I own. Its a great way to learn from people who know this stuff better than I do and I only buy them on sale. It saves me time so its worth the $20 or whatever both as a starting point and a learning aid.

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Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:43 pm

What happens if you go through your catalogued sounds and don't find the right thing? What other choice is there if you aren't willing to make your own, other than to go through the rest of them?
NOVAkILL 4.0 : Dell G7 (Core i7, 32GB RAM, RTX2060, Win10), UR44C | Cubase | DUNE, Thorn, TRK-01, Union, bx_oberhausen, Vacuum Pro, Arcsyn, Phase Plant, Mono/Fury, Pigments, Aparillo | Uno, Analog Keys, Ultranova.

clipnotic
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429 posts since 19 Sep, 2007 from Germany

Post Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:57 pm

BONES wrote:
Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:28 pm
Ever thought of making your own sounds? It takes a lot less effort than wading through banks of other people's work.
I wrote a book about programming sounds and I could do this easily, but it's much faster to search and edit presets, especially because you can test lists of sounds in seconds, instead of programming every time a new sound. If I'm searching for a lead sound for example, I scroll through thousands of lead sounds in minutes! :wink:
BONES wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:43 pm
What happens if you go through your catalogued sounds and don't find the right thing? What other choice is there if you aren't willing to make your own, other than to go through the rest of them?
I have over 800 GB samples and thousands of sounds and soundbanks for many VST synths and if I want to find a sound I search for a similar and edit it, takes minutes.

And by the way, I also wrote a book about harmony and music theory and learnt that stuff two years intensiv, but still I sometimes use MIDI files, too.

Do you program your own software or are you using the work of other peoples?
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