Massive X 1.3 update!

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KVRist
336 posts since 8 Jan, 2005

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:52 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:30 am
That's a bit unrealistic :)
naaaaaaah..... :hyper:
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KVRAF
8939 posts since 12 May, 2008

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:35 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:30 am
That's a bit unrealistic :)
It would be cool if Reaktor had a VST3 export feature. The authorization could just be tied to your Reaktor license (running Reaktor in the background). Then we could chose which ones we wanted to use as VST.
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KVRAF
27651 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:37 am

What would be the benefit, if you own Reaktor anyway? If anything, the VST3 versions would probably even be a bit more CPU heavy. Unless they port it to "native" VST3. Which will be a lot of work.

There would be a benefit for NI: That people not owning Reaktor would be in the market for the plugins.
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KVRAF
21405 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:58 am

Actually there's no inherent reason why VST3 plugins would use more CPU than VST2.

In fact, Super 8 VST3 version uses LESS CPU than the original Reaktor version.

KVRAF
27651 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:02 am

Cool, I didn't think it would do.

Wonder what's the reason for that. I always thought that they would have to run the Reaktor engine in the VST3. Ok, thinking about it, I guess they don't have to run the whole Reaktor related menu and GUI stuff, just the DSP core stuff.
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KVRAF
21405 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:05 am

Yep there's that. But also VST3 version was coded so that it doesn't take all the CPU even if no voices are playing, CPU is dynamically allocated based on how many voices are active (that was done in the 1.1 update).

KVRist
416 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:22 am

Francisco Partners now holder majority shares over Native Instruments and EMH. After reading, the direction looks to go into an all inclusive environment of sorts. Unifying their product line, maybe in ways we haven't seen yet. I wonder how this will affect development. Financial support brings lots of growth in product development, so lets hope they get a lot more done.

KVRian
532 posts since 20 Apr, 2005

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:24 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:40 am
_leras wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 5:11 pm
I still can't understand why Massive X lost an oscillator and a filter from the original version. Such a shame!
Different goals in product design phase.
Improving upon Serum, instead of improving on Massive...?

They could have simply added new wave tables and filters and made lots of people very happy. Add updated FX, LFO/Performers, some routing changes and there's a Massive 2.

The dual filters setup in Massive was so useful and easy to use. Going back to one filter just meant less flexibility...

Hopefully, they can somehow add back a second filter...

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KVRAF
21405 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:46 am

_leras wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:24 am
Improving upon Serum, instead of improving on Massive...?
Neither. Reimagining Massive.

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KVRAF
2726 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:01 am

vertibration wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:22 am
Francisco Partners now holder majority shares over Native Instruments and EMH. After reading, the direction looks to go into an all inclusive environment of sorts. Unifying their product line, maybe in ways we haven't seen yet. I wonder how this will affect development. Financial support brings lots of growth in product development, so lets hope they get a lot more done.
I think NI is finished. The founders have sold most of their shares. The last two Komplete releases were crap.


https://www.franciscopartners.com/news/ ... o-partners
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KVRian
582 posts since 13 May, 2017 from Virginia

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:10 am

_leras wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:24 am
The dual filters setup in Massive was so useful and easy to use. Going back to one filter just meant less flexibility...
No problem, just create a wavetable containing the filtered target wave and then impor - ohh... Well then we can resample the wavetab... oh.

KVRAF
1600 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:17 am

There is a very musical SVF parallel and serial dual filter in massive x.

KVRist
416 posts since 11 Nov, 2010 from ny

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:41 am

v1o wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:01 am
vertibration wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:22 am
Francisco Partners now holder majority shares over Native Instruments and EMH. After reading, the direction looks to go into an all inclusive environment of sorts. Unifying their product line, maybe in ways we haven't seen yet. I wonder how this will affect development. Financial support brings lots of growth in product development, so lets hope they get a lot more done.
I think NI is finished. The founders have sold most of their shares. The last two Komplete releases were crap.


https://www.franciscopartners.com/news/ ... o-partners
You don't know how investment firms work.

Francisco Partners has raised over $24 billion in committed capital and invested in more than 300 technology companies, making it one of the most active and longstanding investors in the technology industry.

You posted a link, that debunks your theory :dog:

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KVRAF
2726 posts since 2 Oct, 2004

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:38 pm

vertibration wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:41 am
v1o wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:01 am
vertibration wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:22 am
Francisco Partners now holder majority shares over Native Instruments and EMH. After reading, the direction looks to go into an all inclusive environment of sorts. Unifying their product line, maybe in ways we haven't seen yet. I wonder how this will affect development. Financial support brings lots of growth in product development, so lets hope they get a lot more done.
I think NI is finished. The founders have sold most of their shares. The last two Komplete releases were crap.


https://www.franciscopartners.com/news/ ... o-partners
You don't know how investment firms work.

Francisco Partners has raised over $24 billion in committed capital and invested in more than 300 technology companies, making it one of the most active and longstanding investors in the technology industry.

You posted a link, that debunks your theory :dog:
Do you honestly think the last release of Komplete was a good product? Do you think the MX release was handled well? The link says the founders have sold most of their stake.

You can't solve problems by just throwing more money into something. Investment firms are notorious for racking up debts and then asset striping their investments. It basically white collar gambling some investments workout whilst others fail. Look at Apple they're successful because they had a strong visionary founder, that grew the company organically without massive debts and then he hand picked a successor he trained himself.
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KVRAF
27651 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:42 pm

I actually wondered that the first comment I read on the matter was positive. I thought "Just a matter of time until the next prophet of doom chimes in". I wasn't wrong. ;)
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