Obsession Vs OB-Xa V Poll

[wagtunes]

It was designed to show just one thing. That having to now compete with Arturia, that sales will be lost. And clearly it shows that sales will be lost.

Actually it doesn't show this at all. Both of the categories that indicate someone will not buy Obsession and will buy Arturia, indicate only that. It does not give a reason. Anyone who would never have bought Obsession, but may enjoy Arturia products (especially ones that already own the v collection), could have still fallen in these categories, and probably do. So unfortunately the poll tells us exactly nothing. In order to claim what you are trying to claim, you would need to know that someone would have bought Obsession in the absence of the Arturia version, but because the Arturia one was released first, has decided to only buy the Arturia version. Even if there was a category for that, it still wouldn't guarantee that one of those people wouldn't change their mind and buy Obsession also once they demo it, although at least you could forecast based on people's currently opinion of the situation.

The reason people are giving you crap for this and saying you are bullying etc. (though I think that's a bit far), is that you wanted to prove this point and made an ambiguous poll that it biased in this direction.

Perhaps you'd like to join the firing squad too?

Can I absolutely PROVE that if no Arturia version was released people who bought it would have bought Obsession instead? No, of course not. But pure logic, reason, and simple statistics almost dictates that there will be a percentage of people who were waiting for a "good" OB-Xa clone and would have bought whatever was available first.

You cannot absolutely categorically deny that. I myself am one of those people. If Obsession isn't out before the 9th and I really want the OB, I will buy Arturia's and therefor will have absolutely no use for Obsession.

I'm the only one on this planet who feels that way? Several people in this thread, even if the poll is flawed, have expressed the same sentiments.

Arturia coming out with an OB clone right now cannot in any way help Synapse Audio's cause. I'm sure Richard, given the choice, would have preferred Arturia NOT come out with this synth just before he's ready to release his. Nobody in their right mind would be jumping with joy over this right now.

[AnX]

How many people have been recruited into the firing squad so far?

Anyone who wants to join in is welcome.

seems a little harsh for a flawed poll.
im gonna commute the sentence to life imprisonment.

waste of taxpayers money

[AnX]

Can I absolutely PROVE that if no Arturia version was released people who bought it would have bought Obsession instead? No, of course not.

/end thread

[wagtunes]

Can I absolutely PROVE that if no Arturia version was released people who bought it would have bought Obsession instead? No, of course not.

/end thread

You know what? How about go and play in your own thread somewhere. I'll end this thread when I feel like it and it won't be because YOU want me to. So there.

[excuse me please]

Ghe I think the OP has a point.. no not that point... I mean if all VSTi farmers come up with an Obie emu, then the flush gets thin.
That said A and B comparisons are rather tricky; I closed my eyes and some sounds did not sound really different, some sounds where the lows and grit of the OB were no match and there was one patch where the VSTi sounded rather cheap.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Perhaps you'd like to join the firing squad too?

Not my intention. Just trying to clarify the logical problems here.

Can I absolutely PROVE that if no Arturia version was released people who bought it would have bought Obsession instead? No, of course not. But pure logic, reason, and simple statistics almost dictates that there will be a percentage of people who were waiting for a "good" OB-Xa clone and would have bought whatever was available first.

You cannot absolutely categorically deny that.

Sure, but whether that percentage is significant is a claim that would need evidence beyond a guess. And it is the claim that would require evidence, not the denial of it. It does not require evidence to say that a claim is unfounded, merely pointing out the lack of evidence. If you claim there is a bigfoot roaming your neighborhood, I don't need to provide evidence (nor can I) that it isn't there in order to be skeptical of the claim. It is the default in the absence of proof.

I myself am one of those people. If Obsession isn't out before the 9th and I really want the OB, I will buy Arturia's and therefor will have absolutely no use for Obsession.
I'm the only one on this planet who feels that way? Several people in this thread, even if the poll is flawed, have expressed the same sentiments.

But you see this is the problem. You are extrapolating your risk strategy to others. There may indeed be a few others that feel this way. Unfortunately it's not represented in the poll, which was my only point.

[vurt]

new jersey, more likely to be a dogman than a bigfoot these days.

[excuse me please]

PS I answered the A and B comparison in the wrong thread, but who cares

[TheMaestro]

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough, or you think these differences will make you hear something, but I meant a listening test.

In blind listening test I've easily picked Matrix 1000 vs. Diva. And I can prove it if you are willing to go with your bet.

That being said, such tests are dumbest thing on the planet. Only thing I care about is how synth sounds and works when I use it. I'm quite sure that sophisticated enough additive synth could make near perfect recreations of any synth, but that will not make me dump other stuff and go with such hypothetical additive chameleon.

Not sure how this is relevant.

[TheMaestro]

No, but it was not meant as OB8 recreation either, and yet people bring that test up all the time.

Because it was an analog hardware vs software test.
Not a specific hardware synth vs it’s software counterpart test.

[TheMaestro]

How many people have been recruited into the firing squad so far?

Anyone who wants to join in is welcome.

seems a little harsh for a flawed poll.
im gonna commute the sentence to life imprisonment.

Go easy on the guy. He’s suffering enough by having Internet access.

[VariKusBrainZ]

I'm convinced Synapse Audio will lose money if they don't release Obsession before Arturia's sale ends.

Do you care about all the other devs both soft and hardware that compete against each other with clones?

Of course whoever provides a unique product will get all the cash, theres no other option.
And of course if there are more than one of something there will be competition.
Youre a bit old to be discovering how supply and demand works.

[vitocorleone123]

If you like the Arturia one then just get it. No harm done. Nothing would stop you from getting another plugin later. Several OB sounding plugins are out there, yet Arturia decided to do another. Behringer Is making a hardware version - what a waste when there’s going to be at least 2 software synths of the same thing, right? Leaving that brand aside and the fact I wouldn’t spend my money on a space-sucking hardware version if the software is within 15% or so quality, I’m just listing it because there’s clearly room in the market for more than one solution to the need for Oberheim. Every one of them will sound different and may bring different things to the table.

[goldenanalog]

Bought the V (no brainer in my mind) - imho it sounds great and has some interesting tools under the hood. I’m also planning on buying the Synapse as well, although probably will wait until it’s on sale. But honestly: I don’t consider either as capable of sonically being exact copies of the Xa - although I expect that Richards will be capable of sounding pretty darn close.

Why both? Why not? The more you play around with something like the V, the more you get to know it’s personality - which almost assuredly will be different then OBsession. There’s something very cool about Arturia/Synapse/Brainworx etc. starting with the mandate of producing a focused emulation of an Ubersynth like the Obie Xa, and then running their version in it’s own direction - by the time that they release it; it will still likely retain the characteristics of the original mandate, but it will be so stylized that it will be more about Arturia and Synapse (in this case) then about the Xa

[vurt]

you changed the poll!