Steinberg Backbone - Drum Re-synthesizer

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KVRAF
10271 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Thu May 28, 2020 3:13 pm

If it can, I haven't figured that out yet... It is meant to play one sound per instance.. So I would have counted a open/closed hihat as at least two sounds.
Think of it this way, you want to create your ultimate Kick sound.. one instance.
You want to create your ultimate snare sound..... another instance.
etc.
It isn't designed for one instance to play more than one type of sound, like you couldn't use this for a drum kit, well not one instance anyway.
rsp
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KVRist
188 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Thu May 28, 2020 3:20 pm

I'm pretty sure you can't set key ranges per layer. This isn't really built for that kind of sampling, so if you want to do in-depth sampling with keyranges and velocity ranges, Backbone might not do what you want. For something like closed vs open hats, though, you could maybe do it with velocity (envelope lengths can be velocity-controlled, as can sample length in the resynth engine) or use two separate instances, which is effectively the same as two different keyranges.

Having said that -- since you'll usually be running multiple instances of Backbone anyhow, if you really want to layer by keyrange you can use an instance for each desired keyrange (in the options you can set a keyrange that Backbone will respond to).

KVRAF
9356 posts since 12 May, 2008

Post Thu May 28, 2020 5:26 pm

And you can't limit the layers to respond to certain velocity ranges only? That would be too bad, you might only want some at higher velocities. Or at least you can set the amp to velocity sensitive I'm sure right? Can you inverse that so that some layers are heard more at lower velocities?
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KVRist
188 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Thu May 28, 2020 11:38 pm

Correct, you can't set velocity ranges for different layers. Amplitude (& some other useful parameters, such as sample start position) does have velocity sensitivity, and you can invert the sensitivity; so as you mention, you can control layer volumes that way.

KVRAF
2531 posts since 26 Aug, 2002 from here

Post Thu May 28, 2020 11:52 pm

I can't see any real reason this could not be used for tuning/mangling drum loops - anyone got any experience of this? The fact that they don't do this in the videos makes me wonder if there is some flaw in it
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KVRAF
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Post Fri May 29, 2020 12:39 am

ericj23 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:52 pm
I can't see any real reason this could not be used for tuning/mangling drum loops - anyone got any experience of this? The fact that they don't do this in the videos makes me wonder if there is some flaw in it
Sure, you can tempo sync loops fine with the spectral oscillator in sync mode, unfortunately envelope curves can't be looped.

KVRAF
2531 posts since 26 Aug, 2002 from here

Post Fri May 29, 2020 12:41 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:39 am
ericj23 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:52 pm
I can't see any real reason this could not be used for tuning/mangling drum loops - anyone got any experience of this? The fact that they don't do this in the videos makes me wonder if there is some flaw in it
Sure, you can tempo sync loops fine with the spectral oscillator in sync mode, unfortunately envelope curves can't be looped.
Can you draw complex envelopes or are they ASDR?

PS thanks for answering my questions - it just isn't the Steinberg way to produce a demo!
I believe every thread should devolve into character attacks and witch-burning. It really helps the discussion.

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KVRAF
15698 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there

Post Fri May 29, 2020 3:57 am

ericj23 wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:41 am
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:39 am
ericj23 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:52 pm
I can't see any real reason this could not be used for tuning/mangling drum loops - anyone got any experience of this? The fact that they don't do this in the videos makes me wonder if there is some flaw in it
Sure, you can tempo sync loops fine with the spectral oscillator in sync mode, unfortunately envelope curves can't be looped.
Can you draw complex envelopes or are they ASDR?

PS thanks for answering my questions - it just isn't the Steinberg way to produce a demo!
Yes, the envelopes are multi point MSEGs actually, you can draw any shape and as many steps as you want, tempo synced or not.

KVRAF
2531 posts since 26 Aug, 2002 from here

Post Fri May 29, 2020 4:05 am

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 3:57 am
ericj23 wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:41 am
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Fri May 29, 2020 12:39 am
ericj23 wrote:
Thu May 28, 2020 11:52 pm
I can't see any real reason this could not be used for tuning/mangling drum loops - anyone got any experience of this? The fact that they don't do this in the videos makes me wonder if there is some flaw in it
Sure, you can tempo sync loops fine with the spectral oscillator in sync mode, unfortunately envelope curves can't be looped.
Can you draw complex envelopes or are they ASDR?

PS thanks for answering my questions - it just isn't the Steinberg way to produce a demo!
Yes, the envelopes are multi point MSEGs actually, you can draw any shape and as many steps as you want, tempo synced or not.
That makes it sound much more tempting, for using loops at least.

Thanks again
I believe every thread should devolve into character attacks and witch-burning. It really helps the discussion.

KVRian
1431 posts since 18 Feb, 2012

Post Fri May 29, 2020 5:03 am

Are there any samples/soundsbanks coming with this synth or...? Cant find info anywhere!

KVRist
188 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Fri May 29, 2020 5:07 am

Yes, it comes with a large sample/layer/program set (around 3 gb I think).

KVRist
306 posts since 12 Oct, 2003

Post Sat May 30, 2020 2:31 am

I guess drag/drop audio files from arrangement page to Backbone works only in Cubendo?

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KVRist
397 posts since 6 May, 2020

Post Sat May 30, 2020 5:51 am

Will definitely give this one a look.
Take care :wink:

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KVRAF
10271 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 am

ozinga wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 2:31 am
I guess drag/drop audio files from arrangement page to Backbone works only in Cubendo?
As I suspected it would, it also works in Studio One Pro V4.5.

rsp
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KVRist
306 posts since 12 Oct, 2003

Post Sat May 30, 2020 6:19 am

zvenx wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 am
ozinga wrote:
Sat May 30, 2020 2:31 am
I guess drag/drop audio files from arrangement page to Backbone works only in Cubendo?
As I suspected it would, it also works in Studio One Pro V4.5.

rsp
Thank you so much for checking.

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