SonicLab x HAINBACH Test Equipment Instrument!

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KVRAF
2193 posts since 23 May, 2005 from North Cornwall

Post Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:23 am

On the filtering, no mystery - the usual way :). The frequencies do not need to be random btw, one of the most interesting features of the plugin is the harmonic ratio slider - you set the fundamental and then the ratio and it spreads the frequencies out. If you want to play it then you can control the fundamental oscillator via midi.

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KVRAF
2160 posts since 3 Mar, 2010

Post Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:21 pm

Got it - thanks!

KVRist
123 posts since 25 May, 2020

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:26 am

A demo including MPE with the Seaboard:

http://youtu.be/_sR9CWALT88

KVRAF
1796 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:54 am

I would love to be able to have one of those Roli keyboards - thanks for that demo it was great to see your hand and finger movements linked to the sound.

Has anyone else started to seriously think about the BOT series now they have played with Fundamental? I am sorely tempted - but as usual need to sell a few things first

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KVRAF
32942 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:21 am

Friendly Noise wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:26 am
A demo including MPE with the Seaboard:

http://youtu.be/_sR9CWALT88
Beautiful - must get this

KVRAF
5349 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Hanover, Germany

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:43 am

Beautiful - already have it

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KVRAF
32942 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:57 am

Calenberger wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:36 pm
fairlyclose wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:37 pm
simmo75 wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:12 pm
foosnark wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:23 pm
It's not meant to be played with MIDI (other than specialized MPE control), but you can use MIDI Note On to assign pitches to individual oscillators when you select them in the GUI.

It is very musical if you are open minded and experimental. 8)
Thanks for the reply. It would make such a lush electric piano from what I’ve heard.

The developer says that it is playable on a keyboard, so I’m a little confused now... Think I’ll wait and see what develops.
I think all you can with midi is set the oscillator's base frequency and I am not sure if that can be automated at all. I dont think this can be thought of as a synth in the usual way, but more as a sound source. I have not tried playing it through Pitchmap yet - that might be quite amazing...or not :)

EDIT - tried pitchmap with fundamental and it is amazing
Now it has become VERY interesting for me!
How do you set it up with Pitchmap?

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1796 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:10 am

aMUSEd wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:57 am
Calenberger wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:36 pm
fairlyclose wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 5:37 pm
simmo75 wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 4:12 pm
foosnark wrote:
Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:23 pm
It's not meant to be played with MIDI (other than specialized MPE control), but you can use MIDI Note On to assign pitches to individual oscillators when you select them in the GUI.

It is very musical if you are open minded and experimental. 8)
Thanks for the reply. It would make such a lush electric piano from what I’ve heard.

The developer says that it is playable on a keyboard, so I’m a little confused now... Think I’ll wait and see what develops.
I think all you can with midi is set the oscillator's base frequency and I am not sure if that can be automated at all. I dont think this can be thought of as a synth in the usual way, but more as a sound source. I have not tried playing it through Pitchmap yet - that might be quite amazing...or not :)

EDIT - tried pitchmap with fundamental and it is amazing
Now it has become VERY interesting for me!
How do you set it up with Pitchmap?
Fundamental as instrument and Pitchmap as FX.
Or as Midi FX.
Or sidechaining.
There are three ways to set it up and it's explained in the Pitchmap manual.

KVRAF
1796 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:28 am

Calenberger wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:10 am
aMUSEd wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:57 am
Calenberger wrote:
Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:36 pm

Now it has become VERY interesting for me!
How do you set it up with Pitchmap?
Fundamental as instrument and Pitchmap as FX.
Or as Midi FX.
Or sidechaining.
There are three ways to set it up and it's explained in the Pitchmap manual.
yes it is not so difficult although I guess that depends on the DAW maybe. I have been struggling a bit getting what I want as I have just left Reaper after 10 years or so and switched to Bitwig and Studio One which are quite different to Reaper. So getting say the notes in a midi clip to modulate the osc1 while using a midi keyboard to control gatekeeper (or pitchmap) has been harder than I hoped - in Studio One, easier in Bitwig. But I think that is purely because I am using DAWs I dont know.
Overall Fundamental is the most inspiring device I have bought for music for a very long time and has me looking seriously at the BOT series from the same dev as well. The implied compositional appraoch sits very naturally with me

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1796 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg

Post Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:19 am

Oh, I forgot, I use Logic Pro X.
The setup is certainly specific in the different DAWs.

KVRist
37 posts since 20 Jan, 2006 from Canberra

Post Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:51 pm

I think this is a wonderful beast- except for the iLok issue, of course.

However I am having trouble using it- it seems to be the cause of crashes in Ableton for me. No problems with anything else. And of course once I have a solution the four days will have run out- seems a very short evaluation period for those of us who are busy?

Anyway I emailed SonicLAB and they basically said "oh well it probably isn't for you". Amazing. I wonder what Hainbach would think?

KVRAF
1796 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:50 pm

I now have Fundamental working perfectly as an instrument in Bitwig. Using the Bitwig Keytracking plugin and mapping to Osc1 coarse frequency I can send a midi clip to Fundamental and it will change the root note

KVRAF
3208 posts since 25 Mar, 2016 from Seattle

Post Wed Jun 24, 2020 8:39 pm

I would buy this if I could play it like a keyboard.
I don’t own Pitchmap, is it doable with anything else?

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KVRAF
2193 posts since 23 May, 2005 from North Cornwall

Post Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:16 pm

Despite my initial enthusiasm I have now encountered some problems with Fundamental, notably when externally modulating the Coarse Frequencies. I'm pretty much entirely modular based now and I have been hosting it in Voltage Modular and Bidule. With both I get entirely predictable crashes when attempting to automate those parameters (all other parameters are fine).

The dev's attitude to this has been 'interesting'; he certainly doesn't think there could possibly be anything wrong with his plugin.

KVRAF
1796 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Post Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:28 pm

lnikj wrote:
Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:16 pm
Despite my initial enthusiasm I have now encountered some problems with Fundamental, notably when externally modulating the Coarse Frequencies. I'm pretty much entirely modular based now and I have been hosting it in Voltage Modular and Bidule. With both I get entirely predictable crashes when attempting to automate those parameters (all other parameters are fine).

The dev's attitude to this has been 'interesting'; he certainly doesn't think there could possibly be anything wrong with his plugin.
I am testing this now in Bitwig and Reaper and might be getting crashes as well. Will contact the dev if it ends up I am and I can be specific about the problem. What exactly did the dev say to your error report?

EDIT - confirmed for Bitwig and Reaper, might only be when using a continuous control like a sine wave.
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