Anacreon Synthesizer | Anacreon 2.5 Released

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resistent
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781 posts since 14 Apr, 2008 from Berlin

Post Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:03 am

Erich.Pfister wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:00 am
@resistent - can you think of any way to achieve what you're doing in those layouts, but giving it a wider aspect ratio? In Ableton and some other DAWs, having a wide, short window is going to be less of a problem than a big square one. I originally thought putting the mults up high was going to cause an issue, but it seems like it spreads the patch out pretty well, so maybe the square shape gives an advantage.. Thanks again for all your tracks and ideas for layout.
It's tough with the wider aspect ratio. One way would be to re-arrange the ENV-Sections. I need to think about it. Here a fast mock-up anyway. It's not well proportioned but I hope it give some ideas.
Do you plan to add additional LFO and ENV? Or is the layout wished without them?
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KVRian
781 posts since 14 Apr, 2008 from Berlin

Post Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:10 am

Erich.Pfister wrote:
Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:55 am
@bmanic
  • Crashing issues - could you let me know if it becomes clear to you at any point whether or not it's due to using presets from previous versions? I sincerely appreciate you reporting back to this main thread with issues, it helps me immensely.

  • Features that are coming up in 2.5.3 (next major release):
    • Pitch Bend
    • Mod Wheel
    • Sustain Pedal
    • Aftertouch
    • Keytrack
    • (General "gain" and +/- type outputs for each of the above)
    • Hold "shift" for fine tuning on all parameters. I have had SERIOUS issues with getting these knobs to behave properly, this might be what we all need to get more accurate tuning. @resistent has also mentioned this one.
    • Mousewheel support on knobs.
    • Unlock upper frequency range on keytracking in LFO so it can be used as sine/triangle oscillator.
    • Make slowest tempo-sync LFO setting 16 bars (if anyone wants it slower, let me know - I'd like to change this once and be done with it)
  • Features in 2.5.4:
    • Completely customizable layout and colors for GUI via config file <- this one is a huge undertaking, but worth it.
    • Save Location for Presets defaults to last used location - persists between sessions.
    • A "curve" module
    • Oscillator gain / pan modulation destinations
    • Detune and Spread modulation - maybe. I will need to look into the inner workings of that algorithm and see if it can be made to run efficiently at audio rate. I'm pretty sure division is involved in calculating the detune / spread, which is a big no-no for realtime audio.
    • LFO shape should be feasible to modulate since the LFOs aren't antialiased, it makes things a little more forgiving to program.
    • Envelopes that can trigger "one shot" style, looping ability, and the ability to be triggered by event port and send triggers via event port so they can be used for timing.
    • Extra envelopes and LFOs (option to disable extras in config file)
    • Pan / Gain modulation on main output for intuitive patching options. (you can already do gain in the mults, but I think the goal is to make the mults the last resort for complex ideas, not for basic gain staging)
    • Edit Mid/Side output on oscillators for spatial processing
Wow. This are a great wall of updates. Regarding "slowest tempo-sync LFO setting". I would say 64bars are more than enough. If this is possible go ahead. :tu:

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Erich.Pfister
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120 posts since 24 Jul, 2020

Post Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:57 am

@resistent - LOL @ 64 bars. I suppose a once-or-twice-per-song LFO generally is the slowest you'd want to see, so that makes sense to me. Regarding layout, yes - we're talking about extra ENV and LFO, I like your layout.

The cool thing is that we're actually going to all have the ability to make custom layouts!

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Erich.Pfister
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120 posts since 24 Jul, 2020

Post Fri Aug 21, 2020 6:35 am

@bmanic - I have sustain pedal working in my development copy. Let me know if you want an intermediate version, but I wasn't planning on releasing this one until I added all the 2.5.3 requirements.

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future-bit
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376 posts since 23 Jan, 2008

Post Fri Aug 21, 2020 11:30 pm

I can not find the plugin in the Reaper, it requires MSVCP140.dll. Which Microsoft C ++ library should I install?

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Erich.Pfister
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120 posts since 24 Jul, 2020

Post Sat Aug 22, 2020 6:15 am

@future-bit, welcome aboard! Try this and let us know how it goes: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downloa ... x?id=48145

Edit If you're missing one, you might be missing others, check this link for the last three major Visual Studio C++ Redistributables: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel ... -downloads

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KVRian
781 posts since 14 Apr, 2008 from Berlin

Post Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:33 am

Sitting in a train and bored. Hence a new layout suggestion. Is more rectangular than my previous ones. Although still tough not to waist space thru a more rectangular order. But this is maybe solvable via re-scaling the buttons and stuff (?). The blue and yellow squares representing the space of the former layout attempts from me. Oh and added S&H module because the space is there.
For the switches for ENV Loop and stuff which alters between two states I would prefer little lit buttons/LEDS (white/red? )

Can't wait for the update to go on patching the old greek :D
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Erich.Pfister
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Post Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:04 am

@resistent,

The new system in 3.5.4 will allow you to make your own layouts and use them - I'm looking forward to seeing what you and others end up doing with it. This layout makes some sense to me. I like having the modulation sources on top and the main signal path below. I should be able to make it more compact in a few places. Mults in the middle is a interesting choice, I like the symmetry.

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KVRian
781 posts since 14 Apr, 2008 from Berlin

Post Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:28 am

Sorry for being impatient :D but when we can expect the updates? At least the one which will not break the patches?

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Erich.Pfister
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Post Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:35 am

@Resistent - the next update will break the patches, I apologize! Turns out, you need to add parameters for sustain, mod wheel, pitch bend, etc. I didn't know that going in because the last time I did this was VST2.4, and that version did not require you to make parameters to handle the midi controls. New Parameters = Broken Patches.

I'm hoping to have 2.5.3 (modulation update) done by the end of the week, you can check my progress on the first post. I've been putting these ✅ next to the things I've finished. Once they're all finished, I'll upload the update.

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Erich.Pfister
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Post Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:27 am

@All

Can anyone recommend a DAW that lets you physically draw Poly Pressure or Channel Pressure (aftertouch) into your midi clips? I have a cheap keyboard that doesn't have aftertouch and it appears that Ableton won't let me draw automation curves for the above parameters.

Thanks in advance!

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Erich.Pfister
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Post Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:15 am

@All

The latest revision is basically going to require that everything gets updated to have a true 1v/octave response. This will be a difficult transition, but I think it will make the whole synth significantly more usable.

Here's a screenshot of where I'm at now. Some controls are spilling off the window, but I just wanted to show you all that I'm working on it!
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pough
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Post Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:17 pm

Have you considered a mono version?
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ahanysz
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86 posts since 14 Jun, 2020 from Adelaide, Australia

Post Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:41 am

Erich.Pfister wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:27 am
Can anyone recommend a DAW that lets you physically draw Poly Pressure or Channel Pressure (aftertouch) into your midi clips?
Reaper can do channel pressure. Drawing poly pressure is tricky because it's supposed to be attached to specific notes, not to a clip. One hack is to draw a different CC curve, select it and transform it into poly pressure messages. I imagine this is possible in a few different DAWs.

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Erich.Pfister
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120 posts since 24 Jul, 2020

Post Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:36 am

@pough Steinberg's License prohibits me from doing a mono version:

"e) The Licensee warrants that it will not use Steinberg’s VST trademarks, “VST”, VST Plug-In or
VST 3 Plug-In Technology on or in connection with products obscene, pornographic, excessively
violent or otherwise in poor taste"

Also, that's really funny.

@ahanysz Thanks for the recommendation and link! I'll definitely download Reaper again and try it out there. Now I can actually test these features.

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