So why does it have three filters with multiple models, including one called "Ladder"? Use your tiny f**king brain and think for just one second. The filters are there, they should be useful. They are not. It's a simple fact. That it is a deal-breaker for me is, similarly, a fact. You can have another opinion if you like but you cannot possibly believe that a synth with three filters wasn't made to do subtractive synthesis. The fact that the Init patch defaults to a single "classic' waveform also suggests decent V/A sounds should be possible. But they are not, beyond a narrow range. This, again, is a simple fact. You can say you don't care but you cannot sit there and pretend that it was never meant for that. It is very clearly meant for that, it just fails. Quite badly. If you don't care, then it's not a problem for you, yet you feel the need to defend it anyway. It makes no sense.Jkist wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:06 amSomeone said the synth wasn't for analogue sounds, and your response was "its a synth, it should be able to do all kinds of sounds". Well unless you are completely new to the world of synthesis, you would know there are many different types, and styles, and methods behind voicing the synths a certain way.
Do you believe that? To me it is more that some are easier for certain things, not that they aren't capable of them. If I thought any of the synths I use weren't able to do a good job of any kind of part I want to throw at them, I wouldn't be using them at all. Synths like that always end up being a curiosity, something you get a bit of use out of but soon move on from. I got a couple of great sounds out of Vital last night but nothing I couldn't as easily get out of Pigments or PhasePlant.It is for this reason many people own multiple synths, because where one synth is lacking, another may excel.
no, they are bad. The resonance is extremely poor. Just look how far it has to be turned up in the Jupiter Bass patch just to get a little bit of squelchiness into the sound. Then turn up the Drive to give it a bit more oomph and listen to the resonance all but disappear. That's just bad filter design, even before you take into account the ladder style attenuation of the whole sound. I don't make this shit up, it's there for anyone to see for themselves.As for the filters being "not very good", they are perhaps a bit surgical and sterile sounding...maybe lacking character is a good word. But they are most certainly not bad.
No, it doesn't because there simply isn't the level of resonance available to facilitate it. But feel free to prove me wrong and share a patch with us.Except functionally Vital CAN deliver. It supports that feature.
Not as much as Pigments or Equator, both of which I already own and have mastered (to a point). So, again, why would I bother?I would say where Vital excels is in how intuitive it is to use, and how much visual feedback there is.
That's because if you know what you're doing, you don't need it because you can hear what's going on and know intuitively how that was achieved. The extent to which visual feedback might be helpful is to point you to which LFO or envelope might be doing the thing you hear but Vital doesn't do that as well as Pigments or several other non-wavetable synths I can think of. It's about on par with PhasePlant in that department. In fact, it reminds me of PhasePlant A LOT, I wouldn't be surprised if that's what provided the inspiration/blueprint for Vital.In a lot of synths, especially analogue-style ones, you get very little visual feedback.
As I did yesterday, I'd suggest HY-Poly Free is a much better option.Plus Vital being free, I think its the best option out there for someone just getting into software synths. So there you go, thats why one would bother with it in my opinion.
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