Anyone use Arranger keyboards as “plug-out” module

[dellboy]

This thread should be moved to hardware.

But even so, it was never about "hardware versus software" which is what it is turning into.

[dstep404]

Can you give me an example for a kontakt library that can't be matched with the modx?

MONTAGE/MODX ROM and user area fit into a 4 GB flash rom chip.
It's absurd to think the sampling in these machine is anywhere near close to detail even to Kontakt factory library(43 gb).
Ethnic stuff is the biggest joke in Montage.

Lol what a load of bullshit

File size doesn't mean shit my friend.

Ever heard about modartt's Pianoteq?
Less than 50MB, one of the best piano vsts out there.

The kontakt factory library, for it's whole 43gbs, sounds like an old 00's rompler.
I own kontakt and I deleted that factory library because it's sucked real hard.

Again, file size doesn't mean shit, it's just a fancy marketing tool to make people believe they got something astonishing.

Sampletank4 max is over 260gb, and the modx/montage soundset is superior in every category.

The modx/montage got excellent patches in every categroy (acoustic+electric piano/guitar/bass, strings, drums, organs, woodwinds, synths etc).
Maybe there is a small portion of some exotic instruments that you'll really need a specialized kontakt library to reach the maximum highest levels, but for 99.9% of the times you got everything you need covered.

Yamaha knows their shit after such a long time in the market, can't go wrong with them.

You seem to be under the impression people are discussing the kontakt factory library. You don’t buy kontakt for the factory library, you buy it for the third party stuff. My modx could not touch the sounds and articulations I get from Sonsuscore The Complete Orchestra 2, or the guitars in the Orange Tree banks. For ethnic? The modx is not touching stuff like Jade Ethnic Orchestra.

I’ve owned or own all of the above, don’t you think I might know what I’m talking about?

[EnGee]

Which arranger you can write your own auto-accompaniment? Does Korg micro arranger have this feature or pa 700? Or is it only available on expensive arranger?
Also, are the samples the same as in Kronos?

[yul]

Which arranger you can write your own auto-accompaniment? Does Korg micro arranger have this feature or pa 700? Or is it only available on expensive arranger?
Also, are the samples the same as in Kronos?

I could do it on the ct-x5000. Sounds were good but not like Korg obviously. Making your own was really nice especially for non standard stuff.

PA700 I think you can do it no problem too. Sounds are very good and different than Kronos but the same quality. Actually there is DNC on PA that Kronos doesnt do.

[EnGee]

Which arranger you can write your own auto-accompaniment? Does Korg micro arranger have this feature or pa 700? Or is it only available on expensive arranger?
Also, are the samples the same as in Kronos?

I could do it on the ct-x5000. Sounds were good but not like Korg obviously. Making your own was really nice especially for non standard stuff.

PA700 I think you can do it no problem too. Sounds are very good and different than Kronos but the same quality. Actually there is DNC on PA that Kronos doesnt do.

Oh! Nice! I suppose that you could record all that midi data into separate channels into a DAW, then edit and playback, right?

I also suppose that Yamaha and Roland have similar competitive arrangers.

[dellboy]

You seem to be under the impression people are discussing the kontakt factory library. You don’t buy kontakt for the factory library, you buy it for the third party stuff. My modx could not touch the sounds and articulations I get from Sonsuscore The Complete Orchestra 2, or the guitars in the Orange Tree banks. For ethnic? The modx is not touching stuff like Jade Ethnic Orchestra.

I’ve owned or own all of the above, don’t you think I might know what I’m talking about?

You mention three sample libraries that in total cost more than a MODX. That's a lot of money to spend to get a more authentic sounding instrument that then gets lost in a song. Why not just buy a real guitar and learn how to play the thing.

And of course they sound better than the basic samples inside the MODX. That's because they are specializing in one type of sound.

Its about what sounds good in a mix, not what one individual sound is doing.

[clipnotic]

Really good sounds are working in the mix and solo!

[Bippo]

Can you give me an example for a kontakt library that can't be matched with the modx?

MONTAGE/MODX ROM and user area fit into a 4 GB flash rom chip.
It's absurd to think the sampling in these machine is anywhere near close to detail even to Kontakt factory library(43 gb).
Ethnic stuff is the biggest joke in Montage.

Lol what a load of bullshit

File size doesn't mean shit my friend.

Ever heard about modartt's Pianoteq?
Less than 50MB, one of the best piano vsts out there.

The kontakt factory library, for it's whole 43gbs, sounds like an old 00's rompler.
I own kontakt and I deleted that factory library because it's sucked real hard.

Again, file size doesn't mean shit, it's just a fancy marketing tool to make people believe they got something astonishing.

Sampletank4 max is over 260gb, and the modx/montage soundset is superior in every category.

The modx/montage got excellent patches in every categroy (acoustic+electric piano/guitar/bass, strings, drums, organs, woodwinds, synths etc).
Maybe there is a small portion of some exotic instruments that you'll really need a specialized kontakt library to reach the maximum highest levels, but for 99.9% of the times you got everything you need covered.

Yamaha knows their shit after such a long time in the market, can't go wrong with them.

You seem to be under the impression people are discussing the kontakt factory library.

"It's absurd to think the sampling in these machine is anywhere near close to detail even to Kontakt factory library(43 gb)."



well, I guess people did discuss the factory library

You don’t buy kontakt for the factory library, you buy it for the third party stuff. My modx could not touch the sounds and articulations I get from Sonsuscore The Complete Orchestra 2, or the guitars in the Orange Tree banks. For ethnic? The modx is not touching stuff like Jade Ethnic Orchestra.

I’ve owned or own all of the above, don’t you think I might know what I’m talking about?

whatever man.
I own a lot of specialised vsts/kontakt libraries that I bought before I owned modx, barely use them anymore.

[Bippo]

Lol what a load of bullshit

File size doesn't mean shit my friend.

Ever heard about modartt's Pianoteq?
Less than 50MB, one of the best piano vsts out there.

The kontakt factory library, for it's whole 43gbs, sounds like an old 00's rompler.
I own kontakt and I deleted that factory library because it's sucked real hard.

Again, file size doesn't mean shit, it's just a fancy marketing tool to make people believe they got something astonishing.

Sampletank4 max is over 260gb, and the modx/montage soundset is superior in every category.

The modx/montage got excellent patches in every categroy (acoustic+electric piano/guitar/bass, strings, drums, organs, woodwinds, synths etc).
Maybe there is a small portion of some exotic instruments that you'll really need a specialized kontakt library to reach the maximum highest levels, but for 99.9% of the times you got everything you need covered.

Yamaha knows their shit after such a long time in the market, can't go wrong with them.

Really funny how marketing fanboys still praise the big workstation companies for their since decades always the same old sample rom crap again and again! And then they compare it with Sampletank??

I have woodwinds, strings, organs, guitar ... soundsets for Omnisphere which cost $20 and they kill your whole MODX / Montage mini sample library easily ... and this discussion is really great entertainment!

I agree with you on one thing... this discussion is really great entertainment

You are clearly mistaken if you think that Yamaha/Roland/Korg sell the same "old sample rom crap again and again"

Of course if you buy the montage/modx you get the same sound set of motif xf(which by itself is way better than sampletank, I own sampletank3+4 and modx, nothing in sampletank sound as good as the motif xf ) but you also get tons of new patches that weren't in the motif xf.

I give you an example, I remember I tried real hard to find a decent harp patch in sampletank...couldn't find anything worthy in the whole 260gb library.

Modx on the other hand, got tons of great harp patches, some of them are even from the motif xf soundset (for example the "stereo harp" which has been used a lot by stargate)..and they all are just "mix-ready" and great joy to play!.

The electric guitars on sampletank are a j-o-k-e, modx got tons of incredible patches, and again even those that are from the motif xf just kills the soundset of sampletank.

Now, I don't say that "vsts are shit" or anything like that.

It's just that there simply isn't a single vst that can compete with roland/yamaha/korg on being an ultimate rompler.
You can buy different libraries for each category (library for piano, library for electric guitars, library for harps etc..) and have a great arsenal.

But seriously, go watch Korg NAUTILUS, Yamaha Montage or the latest Roland fantom on youtube,sampletank is way inferior against those machines.

If I would want a "really good" harp sample instrument on "much better, than workstation and Happy Hippo niveau", I would just buy the also dated East West Symphonic Orchestra Gold library for $199 at the moment and I would get much better harp and also overall instruments, than all workstations together! And there are also much better alternatives available, than that East West library...

You really blame yourself with your Sampletank compare, because nobody who really want to work with good quality use Sampletank

Cool, so you spend 199$ for this:
http://www.soundsonline.com/symphonic-orchestra

and then you spend another 199$ for goliath (which sound like the guitars in motif xf at best)another 199$ for pianos etc...and you end up spending the same amount of $ (or even more actually) to have hundreds of gigabytes of soundsets, that most of the time doesn't bring anything that you don't get with the the big 3 workstations.

This for example:
https://youtu.be/owKKUOn6m0E

doesn't sound anything special compared to this:
https://youtu.be/ZFt4FZvdgO8

My point is, it's absurd to think that Yamaha/Roland/Korg will sell you new workstations with nothing but old samples...that's just ridiculous.

You can create great music with workstations only if you want to.
Most of the iconic music from the 80's/90's in the pop/rock/r&b/rap genre was created just with motifs/tritons/fantoms.

These days you got more options as there is an endless amount of vsts, but if you stick to just one good workstation you got everything you need.

[dellboy]

Really good sounds are working in the mix and solo!

Which is why a hardware synth will always trump a whole bunch of mismatched VSTs that were never meant to be played together in a mix. The engineers at Korg - Yamaha - Roland spend a great deal of time making sure that the sounds gel together in a mix. This is not possible with an assortment of VSTs made by different manufacturers.

In this thread,we are not of course talking about synth sounds like u-he Repro, they are a separate subject.

This thread is for people who just want basic ROMpler sounds and a modern workstation like a Korg Kronos, or whatever, is more than capable of doing that stuff. By all means then use a specialized sample library VST to add the SOLO instrument you need on top.

[dellboy]

My point is, it's absurd to think that Yamaha/Roland/Korg will sell you new workstations with nothing but old samples...that's just ridiculous.

You have to be careful here.

All the big guys like to rehash stuff from 20 years ago for "compatibilities" sake they say. Its good to read reviews to make sure that they have used a whole bunch of new samples that have been recorded just for the new instrument before buying.

The MODX, which is based on the Montage, seems to have a lot of good reviews and has a lot of new stuff in there.

[EnGee]

For Pop, Rock, Jazz …etc, the Arranger/Workstation is enough IMO. It can do for Cinematic as well. But for Orchestral work and music focus on realistic instruments, then the expensive libraries is the way to go.

Anyway, movies and some famous singers actually are using real Orchestral group with real instruments! So, if you want the most realistic sounds, then hire orchestra and a theatre or shut up!

[dstep404]

Lol what a load of bullshit

File size doesn't mean shit my friend.

Ever heard about modartt's Pianoteq?
Less than 50MB, one of the best piano vsts out there.

The kontakt factory library, for it's whole 43gbs, sounds like an old 00's rompler.
I own kontakt and I deleted that factory library because it's sucked real hard.

Again, file size doesn't mean shit, it's just a fancy marketing tool to make people believe they got something astonishing.

Sampletank4 max is over 260gb, and the modx/montage soundset is superior in every category.

The modx/montage got excellent patches in every categroy (acoustic+electric piano/guitar/bass, strings, drums, organs, woodwinds, synths etc).
Maybe there is a small portion of some exotic instruments that you'll really need a specialized kontakt library to reach the maximum highest levels, but for 99.9% of the times you got everything you need covered.

Yamaha knows their shit after such a long time in the market, can't go wrong with them.

Really funny how marketing fanboys still praise the big workstation companies for their since decades always the same old sample rom crap again and again! And then they compare it with Sampletank??

I have woodwinds, strings, organs, guitar ... soundsets for Omnisphere which cost $20 and they kill your whole MODX / Montage mini sample library easily ... and this discussion is really great entertainment!

I agree with you on one thing... this discussion is really great entertainment

You are clearly mistaken if you think that Yamaha/Roland/Korg sell the same "old sample rom crap again and again"

Of course if you buy the montage/modx you get the same sound set of motif xf(which by itself is way better than sampletank, I own sampletank3+4 and modx, nothing in sampletank sound as good as the motif xf ) but you also get tons of new patches that weren't in the motif xf.

I give you an example, I remember I tried real hard to find a decent harp patch in sampletank...couldn't find anything worthy in the whole 260gb library.

Modx on the other hand, got tons of great harp patches, some of them are even from the motif xf soundset (for example the "stereo harp" which has been used a lot by stargate)..and they all are just "mix-ready" and great joy to play!.

The electric guitars on sampletank are a j-o-k-e, modx got tons of incredible patches, and again even those that are from the motif xf just kills the soundset of sampletank.

Now, I don't say that "vsts are shit" or anything like that.

It's just that there simply isn't a single vst that can compete with roland/yamaha/korg on being an ultimate rompler.
You can buy different libraries for each category (library for piano, library for electric guitars, library for harps etc..) and have a great arsenal.

But seriously, go watch Korg NAUTILUS, Yamaha Montage or the latest Roland fantom on youtube,sampletank is way inferior against those machines.

If I would want a "really good" harp sample instrument on "much better, than workstation and Happy Hippo niveau", I would just buy the also dated East West Symphonic Orchestra Gold library for $199 at the moment and I would get much better harp and also overall instruments, than all workstations together! And there are also much better alternatives available, than that East West library...

You really blame yourself with your Sampletank compare, because nobody who really want to work with good quality use Sampletank

Cool, so you spend 199$ for this:
http://www.soundsonline.com/symphonic-orchestra

and then you spend another 199$ for goliath (which sound like the guitars in motif xf at best)another 199$ for pianos etc...and you end up spending the same amount of $ (or even more actually) to have hundreds of gigabytes of soundsets, that most of the time doesn't bring anything that you don't get with the the big 3 workstations.

This for example:
https://youtu.be/owKKUOn6m0E

doesn't sound anything special compared to this:
https://youtu.be/ZFt4FZvdgO8

My point is, it's absurd to think that Yamaha/Roland/Korg will sell you new workstations with nothing but old samples...that's just ridiculous.

You can create great music with workstations only if you want to.
Most of the iconic music from the 80's/90's in the pop/rock/r&b/rap genre was created just with motifs/tritons/fantoms.

These days you got more options as there is an endless amount of vsts, but if you stick to just one good workstation you got everything you need.

I owned the new Fantom, it is indeed the same samples as the XV-5080, they even advertise that as a feature. They also incorporate SOME of the integra’s supernatural library, also old stuff. The samples are NOT new. They are incorporated into a new engine, though.

This discussion is very entertaining. Absolutely none of this stuff matters, all that matters is what works for you. For me, loads of synths just don’t fit my current living situation. The kontakt libraries and VST’s are me adapting to my situation. Previously I had a studio centered around an Akai Force with rotating synths such as the Quantum, matriarch, prophet 6, OB6, Modx, Fantom 6, rev 2, xv-5080, prophet x, hydrasynth, virus ti, etc... not all at once. I LOVE hardware, there is nothing in software you can’t do with hardware, but I have found software to be a bit better, to me, for sample libraries... outside of the Prophet X, which features 150 gigs of samples by 8dio.

[dellboy]

Ask yourself.

How was pop music made before the advent of computers and Kontakt ?

In the 1980s -90s it was analogue synths - Yamaha DX7s - Korg M1s etc. All recorded straight to good old tape or midi using an Atari and Cubase.

Of course a fast computer running Kontakt with thousands of dollars worth of software is going to sound good. So what ? If you have that sort of money by all means splash the cash and have fun. But try not to kid yourself it is an absolute necessity to make good music,cause it aint.

[clipnotic]

Lol what a load of bullshit

File size doesn't mean shit my friend.

Ever heard about modartt's Pianoteq?
Less than 50MB, one of the best piano vsts out there.

The kontakt factory library, for it's whole 43gbs, sounds like an old 00's rompler.
I own kontakt and I deleted that factory library because it's sucked real hard.

Again, file size doesn't mean shit, it's just a fancy marketing tool to make people believe they got something astonishing.

Sampletank4 max is over 260gb, and the modx/montage soundset is superior in every category.

The modx/montage got excellent patches in every categroy (acoustic+electric piano/guitar/bass, strings, drums, organs, woodwinds, synths etc).
Maybe there is a small portion of some exotic instruments that you'll really need a specialized kontakt library to reach the maximum highest levels, but for 99.9% of the times you got everything you need covered.

Yamaha knows their shit after such a long time in the market, can't go wrong with them.

Really funny how marketing fanboys still praise the big workstation companies for their since decades always the same old sample rom crap again and again! And then they compare it with Sampletank??

I have woodwinds, strings, organs, guitar ... soundsets for Omnisphere which cost $20 and they kill your whole MODX / Montage mini sample library easily ... and this discussion is really great entertainment!

I agree with you on one thing... this discussion is really great entertainment

You are clearly mistaken if you think that Yamaha/Roland/Korg sell the same "old sample rom crap again and again"

Of course if you buy the montage/modx you get the same sound set of motif xf(which by itself is way better than sampletank, I own sampletank3+4 and modx, nothing in sampletank sound as good as the motif xf ) but you also get tons of new patches that weren't in the motif xf.

I give you an example, I remember I tried real hard to find a decent harp patch in sampletank...couldn't find anything worthy in the whole 260gb library.

Modx on the other hand, got tons of great harp patches, some of them are even from the motif xf soundset (for example the "stereo harp" which has been used a lot by stargate)..and they all are just "mix-ready" and great joy to play!.

The electric guitars on sampletank are a j-o-k-e, modx got tons of incredible patches, and again even those that are from the motif xf just kills the soundset of sampletank.

Now, I don't say that "vsts are shit" or anything like that.

It's just that there simply isn't a single vst that can compete with roland/yamaha/korg on being an ultimate rompler.
You can buy different libraries for each category (library for piano, library for electric guitars, library for harps etc..) and have a great arsenal.

But seriously, go watch Korg NAUTILUS, Yamaha Montage or the latest Roland fantom on youtube,sampletank is way inferior against those machines.

If I would want a "really good" harp sample instrument on "much better, than workstation and Happy Hippo niveau", I would just buy the also dated East West Symphonic Orchestra Gold library for $199 at the moment and I would get much better harp and also overall instruments, than all workstations together! And there are also much better alternatives available, than that East West library...

You really blame yourself with your Sampletank compare, because nobody who really want to work with good quality use Sampletank

Cool, so you spend 199$ for this:
http://www.soundsonline.com/symphonic-orchestra

and then you spend another 199$ for goliath (which sound like the guitars in motif xf at best)another 199$ for pianos etc...and you end up spending the same amount of $ (or even more actually) to have hundreds of gigabytes of soundsets, that most of the time doesn't bring anything that you don't get with the the big 3 workstations.

This for example:
https://youtu.be/owKKUOn6m0E

doesn't sound anything special compared to this:
https://youtu.be/ZFt4FZvdgO8

My point is, it's absurd to think that Yamaha/Roland/Korg will sell you new workstations with nothing but old samples...that's just ridiculous.

You can create great music with workstations only if you want to.
Most of the iconic music from the 80's/90's in the pop/rock/r&b/rap genre was created just with motifs/tritons/fantoms.

These days you got more options as there is an endless amount of vsts, but if you stick to just one good workstation you got everything you need.

Lol, that "Yamaha workstation guitars are the best of the world thing" is as old as workstation technology. I have guitar soundsets for Omnisphere and also for other synths, which are much better and they cost just $20. And they're cheap, because today it's simple to create such stuff.

You have the same problem like the most oldschool workstation users, you don't know, what meanwhile is available on the market! Like written several times, I also had many workstations and other hardware stuff, I also worked with the Motif XF and the Tyros and also tested the Montage. I also had the most available Korg workstatons, I started with the KN364, Trinity V3, Triton, M3, Oasys and tested the Kronos for another forum. From Roland I had the JV-1080, XV-5080, JD990 and also some Grooveboxes. And meanwhile I have a very huge VST setup, so I can easily compare the differences!

Typcial workstation users today are thinking, they're elite, because they pay thousands of dollars on the "really big companies". And for that I like the big companies, because they make much money with that and their customers want it that way!