Arturia Pigments 3 is out!

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KVRAF
28834 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sun May 09, 2021 12:06 pm

ghettosynth wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 12:03 pm
If Steinberg would free their little player instrument from the dongle and just make it a free instrument download without drama
I'm sure that'll happen in the process of moving from eLicenser to their new system. Although "drama free" is subjective, of course. :)
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KVRian
749 posts since 25 Jul, 2009

Post Sun May 09, 2021 1:53 pm

Retrologue is not part of Halion - it's a separate instrument: https://new.steinberg.net/vst-instruments/halion/
I think it's OK, but nothing special - just average. https://new.steinberg.net/vst-instruments/retrologue/

Padshop is also a separate instrument, but it's not a VA - it's granular/spectral:
https://new.steinberg.net/vst-instruments/padshop/
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KVRAF
28834 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Sun May 09, 2021 1:57 pm

felis wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:53 pm
Retrologue is not part of Halion - it's a separate instrument: https://new.steinberg.net/vst-instruments/halion/

Padshop is also a separate instrument, but it's not a VA - it's granular/spectral:
https://new.steinberg.net/vst-instruments/padshop/
I know. And, I'm sure that ghettosynth knows too.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

KVRian
749 posts since 25 Jul, 2009

Post Sun May 09, 2021 2:04 pm

chk071 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:57 pm
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I know. And, I'm sure that ghettosynth knows too.
You both know more than me then. :D I still get confused with Steinberg stuff.
I mistakenly said Trip and Trium are in Halion - they're not.

Trium, which is one of the VA types I mentioned isn't in Halion, it's only in Absolute.
And Trip - another one I mentioned as a VA I liked is only in Cubase.
Neither one of those is in Halion. Voltage is in Halion though.

Oh crap - this is the Pigments thread. Getting way off topic here. I really like Pigments 3. :D
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KVRAF
13019 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Sun May 09, 2021 2:24 pm

chk071 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:57 pm
felis wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:53 pm
Retrologue is not part of Halion - it's a separate instrument: https://new.steinberg.net/vst-instruments/halion/

Padshop is also a separate instrument, but it's not a VA - it's granular/spectral:
https://new.steinberg.net/vst-instruments/padshop/
I know. And, I'm sure that ghettosynth knows too.
Yes, at no time did I suggest that Retrologue is a part of Halion. What is a part of Halion is the same VA technology that is used in Retrologue. Halion doesn't contain any better VA elements than are in Steinberg's best VA synth.

KVRAF
2462 posts since 17 Sep, 2016

Post Sun May 09, 2021 2:33 pm

Well let's just compare Pigments to every synth on the planet...
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KVRAF
13019 posts since 13 Oct, 2009

Post Sun May 09, 2021 2:34 pm

felis wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 2:04 pm
chk071 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 1:57 pm
....
I know. And, I'm sure that ghettosynth knows too.
You both know more than me then. :D I still get confused with Steinberg stuff.
I mistakenly said Trip and Trium are in Halion - they're not.

Trium, which is one of the VA types I mentioned isn't in Halion, it's only in Absolute.
And Trip - another one I mentioned as a VA I liked is only in Cubase.
Neither one of those is in Halion.
Those are both just Halion instruments built with the basic components in Halion. It's just a rearrangement of the same components that you can use to build your own synth in Halion.

I don't think that any of the synths that are bundled with and built with Halion can compete with Pigments in really any way. Using Halion Sonic SE instruments isn't what I'm talking about when I refer to Halion as being a migraine. I'm talking about building something quickly in a similarly flexible way that you can in Pigments. Selecting several interesting sound sources and combining them with filters and effects of your choosing and then adjusting the modulation, this can be done in Halion, it's just not easy like it is in Pigments.

KVRer
5 posts since 6 May, 2021

Post Sun May 09, 2021 2:46 pm

What genres have you found this synth works best for? Is it valuable to people who write heavier bass music?

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KVRAF
7212 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from Auckland, NZ

Post Sun May 09, 2021 2:58 pm

Judging from the presets, Pigments is not for bass heavy music. But I haven't tried myself to tweak or make a bass preset yet 🤔

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KVRian
500 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Sun May 09, 2021 3:02 pm

With three osc in the va section, you can make as many three octaved fat minimoog basses that you like. I just made a couple myself. Or just heavy two octaved. You can do the same on Pigment as you can with the mini and many others. You can vary with the digital oscs. Endless possibilities.
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KVRian
749 posts since 25 Jul, 2009

Post Sun May 09, 2021 3:16 pm

ghettosynth wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 2:34 pm
....I don't think that any of the synths that are bundled with and built with Halion can compete with Pigments in really any way.
I disagree, but I'll leave it at that.
ghettosynth wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 2:34 pm
...I'm talking about building something quickly in a similarly flexible way that you can in Pigments. Selecting several interesting sound sources and combining them with filters and effects of your choosing and then adjusting the modulation, this can be done in Halion, it's just not easy like it is in Pigments.
I agree, and I've said so earlier in the thread. Pigments is quick and easy to get around, and to get good sounds from. I haven't fully explored it yet, but I think it's one of the better soft synth purchases I've made. Inspiring stuff.

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KVRAF
4994 posts since 23 Aug, 2014 from Boston/Cambridge

Post Sun May 09, 2021 5:48 pm

zzz00m wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 2:33 pm
Well let's just compare Pigments to every synth on the planet...
Yep, compared to Warlock, Vital, Go2, ANA2 and even Hive2. IMO they lack the organic sound quality I appreciate so much in Pigments 3, as if they answer to a different sound directive related to (hyper)saw origins or harsh sonic fx treatment. It’s certainly a matter of taste and musical preference (or even GUI).

KVRist
142 posts since 8 Jun, 2019

Post Sun May 09, 2021 7:04 pm

chk071 wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 12:06 pm
ghettosynth wrote:
Sun May 09, 2021 12:03 pm
If Steinberg would free their little player instrument from the dongle and just make it a free instrument download without drama
I'm sure that'll happen in the process of moving from eLicenser to their new system. Although "drama free" is subjective, of course. :)
From the company that kills VST2 rather than make it open source, I doubt it...

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KVRAF
10127 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica

Post Sun May 09, 2021 7:11 pm

Open sourcing of vst2 would completely by suicidal and antithetical for their efforts to move everyone to vst3.
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KVRist
365 posts since 14 Oct, 2006

Post Sun May 09, 2021 9:30 pm

How would you guys compare pigments 3 to hydrasynth? Both seem to offer a lot of modulation capabilities and synth engines.

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