Available now: Tone2 Nemesis 2.4

[sacer]

nice

[Teksonik]

I'm trying the current Nemesis demo and it's a very nice sounding synth. Not sure if I'll be able to work a purchase in to my budget in the near future but it is on my list of synths to buy.

[Effectsworks]

Great synth.

[Caine123]

I indeed improved it a lot:
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New features:
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The synth can create an unlimited number of new sounds with FILE->'Create random patch'."

THX!
I'm glad Tone2 is back!

[AnX]

again, none of that explains what it is....

you coded it, so you can explain the technical details of what neofm is..... can't you?

Since when is any dev under any sort of obligation to explain the technical details of their products to anyone? If you're not satisfied with the (somewhat vague, I'll admit) explanation in the manual, then you can simply demo the product yourself, to decide if the benefits of NeoFM are apparent/significant to/for you. That would be a much better use of your time, rather trying to cause a stir here.

im asking a legitimate question, politely.... and I'm not asking you

[buzz1]

again, none of that explains what it is....

you coded it, so you can explain the technical details of what neofm is..... can't you?

Since when is any dev under any sort of obligation to explain the technical details of their products to anyone? If you're not satisfied with the (somewhat vague, I'll admit) explanation in the manual, then you can simply demo the product yourself, to decide if the benefits of NeoFM are apparent/significant to/for you. That would be a much better use of your time, rather trying to cause a stir here.

im asking a legitimate question, politely.... and I'm not asking you

I too would like to know what neo fm is. Marcus' discription in this topic does not explain it at all.
So I will join in asking politely just what it is and how it actually differs from normal FM or PM.

[Markus Krause]

I can't post a technical description and the tricks of the algorithm in a public forum. Competing companies could copy my innovations. Sadly I made bad experiences with this.

If you're interested in licensing the technology feel free to contact me.

If you're interested to know how it sounds try the free demo.


How does neoFM differ from conventional FM (=PM)?

- It is alias-free
- It is true FM, not PM (what actually nearly all digital synths use and market as 'FM')
- It works well with any kind of waveform, not only with dull ones

[biscuitdough]

... and traditional fm is def not limited to "bell like sounds"

For once you and I agree.

I suspect NeoFM is linear FM plus the tone2 secret sauce of psychoacoustics. Anyone with Nemesis and Bazille or Phase Plant could probably confirm.

Edit: I wanted to come back and edit this because linear FM can alias a lot in the digital world, and its understandable that Markus wouldn't be able to reveal the technique used to reduce/eliminate aliasing.

[Markus Krause]

No. neoFM is not related to a 'sauce of psychoacoustics'

[biscuitdough]

No. neoFM is not related to a 'sauce of psychoacoustics'

No offense intended. What I meant is that I suspect a mix of linear FM and your proprietary processing. "Secret sauce" is slang for "trade secret" here.

[fmr]

I'll try to give a very raw and simple explanation:

FM stands for Frequency Modulation. In FM, the frequency of a carrier oscillator (waveform) is modulated by another (modulator) oscillator (waveform). This is exactly the same that happens with LFO, except that, when LFO modulates the frequency, it creates an effect called vibrato (because the LFO oscillates in the infrasound region). When the modulator oscillator frequency raises to the audible range, instead of vibrato we get added partials (called sidebands because they appear on each side of the carrier frequency). The frequencies of these partials are related with the frequency of the modulator, while their number and amplitudes are related with the modulation intensity (basically, the amplitude of the modulator).

This is what's called "PURE FM SYNTHESIS" or "REAL FM SYNTHESIS". However, for practical purposes, the synthesis implemented on the DX7 and all subsequent Yamaha FM, modulates PHASE, instead of FREQUENCY (hence it is, in fact, Phase Modulation). In terms of results, and because they were using just sine waves in the DX7, the results were pretty similar. However, when using more complex waveforms, like saw, for example, the results differ.

I think what Markus calls NeoFM is in fact PURE FM (Frequency Modulation), as opposed to PM (Phase Modulation), which is what is usually implemented in the so called FM synths. But I will let Markus confirm or deny that.

[vurt]

so audio rate modulation?

[aMUSEd]

Sounds closer to what PhasePlant can do

[Markus Krause]

so audio rate modulation?

yes.

[Markus Krause]

I'll try to give a very raw and simple explanation:

FM stands for Frequency Modulation. In FM, the frequency of a carrier oscillator (waveform) is modulated by another (modulator) oscillator (waveform). This is exactly the same that happens with LFO, except that, when LFO modulates the frequency, it creates an effect called vibrato (because the LFO oscillates in the infrasound region). When the modulator oscillator frequency raises to the audible range, instead of vibrato we get added partials (called sidebands because they appear on each side of the carrier frequency). The frequencies of these partials are related with the frequency of the modulator, while their number and amplitudes are related with the modulation intensity (basically, the amplitude of the modulator).

This is what's called "PURE FM SYNTHESIS" or "REAL FM SYNTHESIS". However, for practical purposes, the synthesis implemented on the DX7 and all subsequent Yamaha FM, modulates PHASE, instead of FREQUENCY (hence it is, in fact, Phase Modulation). In terms of results, and because they were using just sine waves in the DX7, the results were pretty similar. However, when using more complex waveforms, like saw, for example, the results differ.

I think what Markus calls NeoFM is in fact PURE FM (Frequency Modulation), as opposed to PM (Phase Modulation), which is what is usually implemented in the so called FM synths. But I will let Markus confirm or deny that.

A pretty good explanation.
DX7 and FM8 and nearly everything that is marketed as 'FM synth' are in fact phase modulation (PM)synths. They do PM instead of FM, since it is more easy to process.
neoFM is like 'real FM synthesis', but without aliasing.