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Muziksculp
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1792 posts since 23 Sep, 2005

Post Wed May 26, 2021 7:44 am

I was always tempted to buy Nemesis, but so far I didn't, maybe Nemesis 2 will do the trick.

Looking forward to hear Nemesis 2, and know what has been improved/added.

When is it expected to be released ?

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Markus Krause
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1152 posts since 2 Jul, 2018

Post Wed May 26, 2021 8:16 am

It will be released in June
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Muziksculp
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1792 posts since 23 Sep, 2005

Post Wed May 26, 2021 8:25 am

Markus Krause wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 8:16 am
It will be released in June
Thanks :tu:

AnX
KVRAF
10388 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Wed May 26, 2021 8:26 am

Markus Krause wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 7:23 am
so audio rate modulation?
yes.
so why not just say that in the first place?

im not after trade secrets or top security files :lol:

any, looks like I'm already covered in the ARM/neofm stakes already if that's the bones of it...

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Markus Krause
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Post Wed May 26, 2021 8:29 am

FM or PM is usually always audio-rate modulation. Why should I mention this explicitly? :roll:
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PieBerger
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1308 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Post Wed May 26, 2021 9:52 am

AnX wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 6:04 am
PieBerger wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 4:04 am
AnX wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 3:50 am
again, none of that explains what it is....

you coded it, so you can explain the technical details of what neofm is..... can't you?
Since when is any dev under any sort of obligation to explain the technical details of their products to anyone? If you're not satisfied with the (somewhat vague, I'll admit) explanation in the manual, then you can simply demo the product yourself, to decide if the benefits of NeoFM are apparent/significant to/for you. That would be a much better use of your time, rather trying to cause a stir here.
im asking a legitimate question, politely.... and I'm not asking you
Sorry for busting your balls, the stick is our of my butt, at least until the next time it finds its way up there...
Always Read the Manual!

AnX
KVRAF
10388 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Wed May 26, 2021 10:10 am

Markus Krause wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 8:29 am
FM or PM is usually always audio-rate modulation. Why should I mention this explicitly? :roll:
I was asking for an explanation of this so called new thing called neofm, you seemed to struggle to actually explain it :roll:

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rodanmusic
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163 posts since 13 Jan, 2015 from SLC, UT

Post Wed May 26, 2021 12:14 pm

Can't wait till Nemesis 2 is out. I just picked up v1. I gotta say the randomization features you're adding to your synths is what is drawing me in.

I've had so much fun with the randomization thing on Warlock. You never know what is going to happen, but most of the time the result is useable.

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Markus Krause
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Post Wed May 26, 2021 12:54 pm

@AnX

As usual your true intention is to provocate and to start and arguement. That's why all you future posts will be ignored
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Markus Krause
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Post Wed May 26, 2021 1:11 pm

rodanmusic wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 12:14 pm
Can't wait till Nemesis 2 is out. I just picked up v1. I gotta say the randomization features you're adding to your synths is what is drawing me in.

I've had so much fun with the randomization thing on Warlock. You never know what is going to happen, but most of the time the result is useable.
Thank you for supporting our small company. Nemesis2 will be ready soon. As promised the update will be available for free.
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e-crooner
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3502 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Post Wed May 26, 2021 1:30 pm

rodanmusic wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 12:14 pm
Can't wait till Nemesis 2 is out. I just picked up v1. I gotta say the randomization features you're adding to your synths is what is drawing me in.

I've had so much fun with the randomization thing on Warlock. You never know what is going to happen, but most of the time the result is useable.
I suppose the secret of a useful randomization feature is systematically prohibiting a lot of possible parameter value configurations.

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Markus Krause
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Post Wed May 26, 2021 3:32 pm

The approach of just setting all parameters to random values does not work well in practice for more complex plugins. You usually end up with lots of garbage. In the worst case a synth can even crash (this should of course not happen if it is properly coded) or output extremely loud signals.

The random-button needs to be 'smart'. This can be achieved with machine-learning or statistic approaches.
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syntonica
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1259 posts since 25 Sep, 2014 from Specific Northwest

Post Wed May 26, 2021 3:44 pm

Markus Krause wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 3:32 pm
The approach of just setting all parameters to random values does not work well in practice for more complex plugins. You usually end up with lots of garbage. In the worst case a synth can even crash (this should of course not happen if it is properly coded) or output extremely loud signals.

The random-button needs to be 'smart'. This can be achieved with machine-learning or statistic approaches.
The method that I always liked--well, adored--is in Crystal. You feed it two patches and click the mutate button and it sort of splices the DNA of the two randomly. You still get the clunkers, but I also always got wonderfully surprising results! And they didn't always immediately display either parent's characteristics.

I have mixed feelings about using machine learning, unless all of one's own patches are fed into it as well. Just using the factory patches as a starting point probably gives tame-ish results.

AnX
KVRAF
10388 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Wed May 26, 2021 7:42 pm

Markus Krause wrote:
Wed May 26, 2021 12:54 pm
@AnX

As usual your true intention is to provocate and to start and arguement.
nope

it was to cut thru the marketing blurb and get an honest answer

as usual, you get very defensive and struggle to give one, end of.

good luck with the update.

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Markus Krause
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Post Wed May 26, 2021 10:27 pm

neoFM is definitely not a marketing blurb. Anyone can easlily validate this by downloading the free demo.
https://www.tone2.com/download.html

You can directly hear the difference when you switch between 'classic FM/PM' and 'neoFM' in Nemesis.
Click on the Synthesis Mode selector. Then select 'neoFM' vs 'FM/PM Vintage DX'.

References:

KEYS (a printed magazine from Germany):
"NeoFM provides a much larger sonic range than classic FM. It produces harmonic sounds where conventional synths provide only garbage. Tone2 succeeds in reinventing the FM synthesis. The sound cuts through the mix. It's very flexible, has a huge sonic range and a lot of dynamic expression."

Amazona:
"Nemesis plays in the highest league. The versatile synthesis engine can replace a studio filled with hardware. All that with expensive, first-class sound quality. NeoFM sounds more balanced compared to classic FM."

(Deutsch)
http://www.amazona.de/test-tone2-nemesi ... nthesizer/
http://www.buenasideas.de/test/musikpro ... er-plugin/

(English)
http://www.producerspot.com/review-neme ... r-by-tone2
http://www.sonicscoop.com/2014/03/17/re ... rom-tone2/
http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/tech/ ... sis-596711
http://rekkerd.org/review-tone2-nemesis ... er-plugin/
http://www.everythingrecording.com/revi ... 2-nemesis/
http://soundsandgear.com/tone-2-nemesis ... th-review/
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