Korg Collection 3

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KVRAF
21909 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:43 pm

DocAtlas wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:54 pm
If my memory isn't too fried, I think the Z1's engine was closer to the MOSS board for the Triton.
Kinda the other way around. MOSS board for Triton is basically 6 voices of Z1. The Trinity/Triton expansion board happened after Z1 was released.

KVRAF
4836 posts since 6 May, 2002

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:56 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:42 pm
I did NOT see Prophecy coming. I hope that also means they will add Z1 in the next one. :)
Z1 and ARP 2600. The Korg Z1 was the competitor workstation to the VL synthesis based Yamaha EX5.
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KVRAF
6470 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:05 pm

Just updated the whole collection and installed Demos as well. Which killed the whole collection in
Cubase. Everything shows as VST 2.4 with no VST 3 available. None of them show on the blacklist either, and cannot add them as a track now. They show in the manager, but not the add instrument to track list.

Opening them in standalone still works fine, except for the two demos (Prophecy and MiniKorg). While they open, there's no ASIO Option, only Windows Audio. So the output is pretty weak.

Anyone know what I got going on here?

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KVRAF
34443 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from another dimension

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:16 pm

Cubase
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KVRAF
2498 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Central NY

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:19 pm

electro wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 2:56 pm
EvilDragon wrote:
Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:42 pm
I did NOT see Prophecy coming. I hope that also means they will add Z1 in the next one. :)
Z1 and ARP 2600. The Korg Z1 was the competitor workstation to the VL synthesis based Yamaha EX5.
That's not exactly right. Yamaha took over Korg in 1987. As a result, there were SEVERAL Korg AND Yamaha synths during that period that used technology from both companies. Much like the Harmon, (and the current Yamaha), empire make products with with tech from several companies under their umbrella. They both have been very aggressive in acquiring companies and their tech. Yamaha sucked up Steinberg and more recently Line6. Some of these mega mergers have been complete disasters tho.....AVID and Gibson immediately come to mind. It's just the nature of the beast.

And PLEASE KORG.....give us an MS2000 VSTi that can import the original sysex.
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KVRAF
6470 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:21 pm

Aloysius wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:16 pm
Cubase
Except that the previous versions were working fine in Cubase.
So it seems more likely Korg.

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KVRAF
34443 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from another dimension

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:26 pm

I've read so many threads where CUBASE was the problem.
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KVRAF
6043 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:35 pm

BBFG# wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:05 pm
Opening them in standalone still works fine, except for the two demos (Prophecy and MiniKorg). While they open, there's no ASIO Option, only Windows Audio.
I have the same thing happening here with the Audio Device Type menu. It just has Windows Audio and DirectSound, but no ASIO. I checked Triton Extreme and the standard Triton standalone and they both have ASIO in there as a choice.

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KVRist
493 posts since 9 Apr, 2005 from Japan

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:54 pm

There's still no upgrade path for people who bought the original Legacy Collection, then bought the ARP Odyssey plugin separately. I own all the same things as the "Special Bundle", but can't get the Special Bundle upgrade price.
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KVRAF
6470 posts since 28 Apr, 2013

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:57 pm

Aloysius wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:26 pm
I've read so many threads where CUBASE was the problem.
Deductive reasoning eliminates that claim here.
The Cubase "problem" would only be they no longer support VST2.
And I can't find any VST3 for Korg under the usual "common" folders.
Was really hoping I somehow missed a step during the install, but I just did a reinstall and saw nothing to corroborate "user error". Still hoping someone else has a clue here.
Next step is to go back to previous versions.

KVRist
365 posts since 18 Dec, 2006

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:07 pm

Where is the modulation page for the Prophecy?

KVRist
402 posts since 26 Feb, 2007

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:15 pm

Don't get me wrong, I think they did a great job on the triton plug-in and love it, just saying I would probably sell my hardware triton rack unit if the plug-in also had the MOSS in it.

KVRist
69 posts since 23 Jun, 2013 from Seattle, WA

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:33 pm

Arashi wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:54 pm
There's still no upgrade path for people who bought the original Legacy Collection, then bought the ARP Odyssey plugin separately. I own all the same things as the "Special Bundle", but can't get the Special Bundle upgrade price.
I've been in a similar situation, buying them all separately before the Triton (and not completing/consolidating the group before the korguser to korg id migration). I had emailed support about consolidating licenses when Legacy Collection 2 released, but it seemed like a brick wall.

I'm thinking of trying a new email that very clearly describes how poor the deal is- I own 7 of the 11 products, and if I want LC3, it's $299.00 in this sale, the same price someone who owns 0 would pay. That does not make any sense. I'm assuming their internal system is not set up to perform these kind of edge-case license scenarios.

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GRRRRRRR!
12538 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 5:16 pm

beely wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:15 am
How's the Prophecy sounding? CPU use? Does it hold up today or does it sound cheap and plastic?
My bandmate says the presets sound identical to his hardware unit. CPU use is good across the board, unlike the ARP Odyssey, which is the 3rd biggest CPU hog I own, after Knifonium and bx_oberhausen.
How's playability without all the physical controls of the hardware? Often with these physical modelled instruments of this era, including the Korg and Yamaha stuff, they could sound a bit sterile unless you really played with them in performance via physical controls - I wonder how that translates into this modern environment?
They all respond very well to slide, glide and aftertouch from my Roli Seaboard, right out of the box. They are very, very playable and you can even watch the Log/pitch-bend controls move as you use Glide and other controls move when you use Slide.
muki wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:00 am
if so...asking that price for an outdated platform...?
What outdated platform? Last time I looked, all of Apple's more serious computers still ran Intel processors. So far, it's only the entry-level consumer krap that's got the M1 chip.
BBFG# wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:58 am
Mini Korg would be a nostalgia buy for me since it was my first synth back in the early seventies. And the Prophecy never impressed me as much.
As long as I get the Extreme for being a current Triton owner, I think waiting for a next inversion is more likely. I'll agree with others that the Z1 is most logical in this regard. But I'd like to see the Radias/AL and Mod 7 come into this as well. But I'm not holding my breath on those.
I can't see the Z1 being different enough to warrant bothering. What I'd like to see is the O1/W. It's AI2 synthesis was amazing and quite unique.
SHall1000 wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:09 am
Can you help my confusion? I have the legacy collection and an upgrade price of 199, yet some are seeing 149. Is it something to do with a “special bundle” of the legacy collection?
The Special Bundle included the Odyssey and you had to pay an upgrade price from the Legacy Collection for it.
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KVRist
276 posts since 12 May, 2004

Post Thu Jul 29, 2021 6:43 pm

BBFG# wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:57 pm
Aloysius wrote:
Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:26 pm
I've read so many threads where CUBASE was the problem.
Deductive reasoning eliminates that claim here.
The Cubase "problem" would only be they no longer support VST2.
And I can't find any VST3 for Korg under the usual "common" folders.
Was really hoping I somehow missed a step during the install, but I just did a reinstall and saw nothing to corroborate "user error". Still hoping someone else has a clue here.
Next step is to go back to previous versions.
Before I run any installer, I always break into them with Pacifist (I’m on a Mac) to see what’s in there and where it’s slated to be parked. Did that with all the new Korg installers. There are no VST3 versions…just VST2’s (and AU’s). If the Mac installers don’t have VST3 versions, you can bet your boots the PC versions don’t either.
On a number of Macs

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