Cherry Audio Releases Mercury-4 Compuphonic Synthesizer!

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KVRian
820 posts since 8 Mar, 2004 from Network 23

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:28 am

yul wrote:
Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:14 pm

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Now what is this internet connected plugin on startup? Is VST allowed to go on the web? Not sure I like it.
IIRC, it auto-checks for updates at CA's site. Other posters feel free to correct/modify that.
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KVRAF
6151 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:40 am

In the settings you can disable the installation of updates and the plugin still runs without a connection after it's authorized:

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KVRAF
16439 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:55 am

I believe CA plugins do a copy protection check on startup. At least that's what appears to be happening based on the Firewall history even with "never install updates" checked.

EDIT: It appears only CA demos connect on load up. Registered plugins don't appear to do so.

For example the Mercury 4 demo does attempt to connect but will still function with the DAW blocked at the firewall.

However you can't start a demo without first connecting to your online account so if the DAW is blocked it won't work and of course when you register one of the CA plugins you'll need access at least temporarily.

I don't have a huge problem with plugins connecting to the net if it's for copy protection as I prefer that to other CP methods. I would prefer they not if it's just to check for updates if there is an option to turn that off. Connecting for telemetry is more distasteful but again if you can opt out no problem.

If you've got a project with 30 plugins and they all want to connect every time that project is loaded that could be a problem.

I used to run an old DAW off line and it was a huge pain in the arse so my current DAW system is always connected to the net just for updates and CP handshakes.
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KVRian
910 posts since 28 Jul, 2006

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:13 am

Just firewall your DAW if you don't want plugins going online.

KVRist
123 posts since 25 May, 2020

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:57 am

Examigan wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:04 am
I can try it and see how close I can get (or you can try the demo version) but I don't know all the settings you used on the hardware. The first part sounds basic, but then some other settings were changed along the way (besides output level on the right and volume on left side) I am not sure about.
You can see most of the settings on the Jupiter 4. The video is always a comparison between two sounds. The first one without internal saturation, and the second one with fully opened VCA slider for saturation. I had to compensate the overall loudness level when changing settings in order to record with similar levels. Otherwise the louder sound always win.

Depending on the sound and number of played notes, the differences between “clean” and “saturated” go from noticeable to drastic. :)

KVRist
123 posts since 25 May, 2020

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:07 am

Teksonik wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:13 am
SLiC wrote:
Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:10 am
Pretty much all of the VST VA synths ever made 'can' pretty much sound the same, there is only so much difference that can be achieved mixing a few basic oscillator shapes and a subtractive filter and minimal modulation (limited by copying old hardware's limitations).

Personally whilst I admire the work in this and 1000's of other bits of software modelling old hardware, the old analogue stuff is the least interesting stuff to model in my opinion.
Your post is like a breath of fresh air in a room full of stale analog smoke. :hihi:

I think the key word is "difference". Yes each synth has its own character and that's why we own more than one but there is only so much real difference between a Saw Bass and a Saw Bass. Yes one synth might be brighter, one darker, one "snappier" as the kids like to say these days but in the end they're all just Saw Basses.

Same with pads, leads etc. Different character but not really different sounds. There's only so much you can do with Saw,Square,Sine, Pulse, and Triangle waveforms.

Having said that I do like the character of the Mercury 4 and the price puts it near no-brainer range so I'll probably pick it up at some point. The problem for me with these kinds of simple synths is I get bored with them so quickly. How many Saw Bass patches can you make before the appeal wears off ?
:shrug:
Besides sound, the Jupiter 4 is (like the Yamaha CS series) one of the synths with a very special look and feel. Big and clunky, a little organ-like, massive and heavy, with a great and sturdy feeling when using the controls. It oozes quality. The smell is so good I would buy it if it could get into a bottle of parfumerie. It’s really not only about the great sound, but also the user’s experience. It’s so satisfying. :love: :love:

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KVRAF
6378 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:18 am

plexuss wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:33 pm
It supports MPE! :o
Yeah, but it seems those presets which are labeled as MPE don't pitch bend, all others do. Haven't found out why...

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KVRian
806 posts since 4 Feb, 2021

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:45 am

Cherry Audio hit or miss me with their synths. This was a hit. Bought and found it it good bang for the bucks. Nice fat sound. Do not care to what degree it emulates JP4, which was my own first real synth btw. Sound quality is fine. Some digitalish clicks on some presets that annoyed me a little, I could eleminate with a little adjustment of attack and release. For 39$, it is deffo worth it to me.
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KVRer
25 posts since 10 Apr, 2021

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:17 pm

Arashi wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:00 pm
Since this is the only real Jupiter-4 emulation so far, the only thing I have to compare it with is the Roland ProMars plugin.
Depends how you define 'emulation'. UVI's Vintage Vault contains the sample-based Saturn-4, which is based on the Jupiter-4. To me, it sounds better than Mercury-4, and has better dynamics (i.e. responds more noticeably to your playing).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LgOyTZo5Y0

I'm impressed with Mercury-4, and Saturn-4 is the only thing currently preventing me from getting it. I don't know if Cherry Audio tweaked the code on which they base all of their synths, or if it has something to do with the character of the synth they're emulating, but the aliasing issue is much less apparent here. The sounds have character, and sound good in a synthwave context. I usually skip Cherry Audio plugins, but I'm really tempted to get this one.

Does the full version have more presets than the demo? The number of presets here was the only disappointment.

KVRAF
9042 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:25 pm

anadroid wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:17 pm
Does the full version have more presets than the demo? The number of presets here was the only disappointment.
Mercury-4 comes with over 400 presets. Seems plenty to me for a one osc synth!

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KVRAF
6378 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:41 pm

Cherry did something about aliasing. Even without oversampling its almost gone compared to some other Cherry synths… Lets see if the other synths get updates…
And the sound is good, like it (can‘t compare to an original and don‘t care…)
UVI is nothing to consider as its just a sample pack and not a synth…

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KVRian
540 posts since 9 Apr, 2005 from Japan

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:55 pm

anadroid wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:17 pm
Arashi wrote:
Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:00 pm
Since this is the only real Jupiter-4 emulation so far, the only thing I have to compare it with is the Roland ProMars plugin.
Depends how you define 'emulation'. UVI's Vintage Vault contains the sample-based Saturn-4, which is based on the Jupiter-4. To me, it sounds better than Mercury-4, and has better dynamics (i.e. responds more noticeably to your playing).
I'm aware of Saturn-4, but it's sample-based, which I usually don't count as emulation. That said, I haven't actually used it and don't know much about it. Maybe they only sampled the raw oscillators, and still had to model the filter, envelopes, ensemble, and such? I'd like to try it out, but it doesn't look like there's a demo version.
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KVRian
1369 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Germany

Post Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:13 pm

Tj Shredder wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:41 pm
Cherry did something about aliasing. Even without oversampling its almost gone compared to some other Cherry synths… Lets see if the other synths get updates…
And the sound is good, like it (can‘t compare to an original and don‘t care…)
UVI is nothing to consider as its just a sample pack and not a synth…
The UVI is absolutely great and fun to play with, I don't care at all how it was done.
On the other hand a a synth with challenge response copy protection that phones home... no thanks.

KVRist
312 posts since 26 Jul, 2018 from Germany

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:20 am

rasmusklump wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:13 pm
The UVI is absolutely great and fun to play with, I don't care at all how it was done.
On the other hand a a synth with challenge response copy protection that phones home... no thanks.
Do you mean UVI? Your Cherry Audio product gets also authorized for your system, it's just automated.

Unfortunately there are not many synths left, with a plain serial number....

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KVRAF
16439 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Post Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:48 am

Friendly Noise wrote:
Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:07 am
Besides sound, the Jupiter 4 is (like the Yamaha CS series) one of the synths with a very special look and feel. Big and clunky, a little organ-like, massive and heavy, with a great and sturdy feeling when using the controls. It oozes quality. The smell is so good I would buy it if it could get into a bottle of parfumerie. It’s really not only about the great sound, but also the user’s experience. It’s so satisfying. :love: :love:
The smell ? :?

I have owned a ton of hardware including analog synths and I don't remember the smell being anything I ever noticed or cared about but to each their own.

Well if you need "big and clunky, massive and heavy", and smell I guess you'll have to stick with the hardware since there's no way of emulating those..... :shrug:

How long have you owned your Jupiter-4 ?
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