Which synths have multi-layers to program (e.g Rapid)

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KVRAF
10149 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:25 am

chk071 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 am
Layers are the most horrible things ever invented.
Not if you're working outside in the winter

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KVRian
954 posts since 27 Mar, 2013

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:36 am

chk071 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 am
Layers are the most horrible things ever invented.
In hardware synthesizer it is quite useful as you can't duplicated a synth as easy as in software world.
But even in the hardware world there are some not so well implemented ways of layering and weird concepts. And this is from what software it's often suffering from. Surge is a good counter example: it's a easy to use and nice layer system. I'm not using Surge or any other synth with layering options nowadays but I see some advantages as one can easily copy settings from layer to another while in a native form (duplicating tracks) you need to adjust two instances of one synth or copy and paste presets all the time. I do this as I have not found a decent software synthesizer with layers which suits my needs. In Live it's easier with the in-built devices as you have a 'copy to sibling' option for parameters what makes layering with Live's own stuff really easy.
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KVRAF
6130 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:03 am

F.'em was already mentioned, but there's also Collective, Hyperion, and Biotek 2.

KVRAF
2698 posts since 25 Feb, 2005

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:25 am

MarulaMusic wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:09 am
chk071 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 am
Layers are the most horrible things ever invented.
How so? If you don't like them don't use them.
I own Rapid and for me, it's like a half assed version of a multimbral synth without the ability to assign separate midi channels like my Omnisphere or Falcon. A synth that's gone that far might as well be multitimbral for better control. I bought it as a composer for it's overall sound and presets but missed that midi routing capability.

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203 posts since 13 Jul, 2021

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:35 am

dblock wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:25 am

I own Rapid and for me, it's like a half assed version of a multimbral synth without the ability to assign separate midi channels like my Omnisphere or Falcon.
Why don't you sell it on the second hand market?
Make it someone else's problem?

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KVRAF
20420 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:42 am

Norqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:45 am
For multi layer Synthesis I think Bitwig shouldn't be overlooked.
Bitwig allows far more control over every single aspect using instrument layers.
Every Synth I own can become multi layer if that is what I want.
Yup... I avoid multi-layer software synths cause it is easier workflow, more flexible and capable to layer in Bitwig.

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KVRAF
20420 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:53 am

Autobot wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:36 am

In hardware synthesizer it is quite useful as you can't duplicated a synth as easy as in software world.
Makes sense in hardware as there is only one instance.

In software, all the layering I do is in Bitwig. The Instrument Layer device unfolds in the mixer so one has a mixer channel for each layer, can adjust level and pan, add/use any VST FX, access send levels and so on. And of course one has the option to layer different synths.

KVRAF
2698 posts since 25 Feb, 2005

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:56 am

Norqa wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:35 am
dblock wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:25 am

I own Rapid and for me, layers only is like a half assed version of a multimbral synth without the ability to assign separate midi channels like my Omnisphere or Falcon.
Why don't you sell it on the second hand market?
Make it someone else's problem?
It's not a problem. I just don't deal with that aspect of it much. I bought it as a composer for it's other qualities like sound, presets, arp functions etc.Like pretty much every vst, there are things I like and things I don't like about it but if the good outweighs the bad overall then I buy it and live with what I perceive to be limitations. I just happen to think a layering synth is like an unfinished multitimbral synth without the routing capability. Might as well finish it and have a multitimbral synth altogether for my uses anyway.
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KVRian
645 posts since 11 Mar, 2010

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:05 am

The new Flowstone from Toneboosters. It's got two layers, and independent envelopes.

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KVRian
645 posts since 11 Mar, 2010

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:06 am

chk071 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 am
Layers are the most horrible things ever invented.
Agreed. I hate layers as well.

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KVRAF
10149 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:24 am

Sinisterbr wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:06 am
chk071 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 am
Layers are the most horrible things ever invented.
Agreed. I hate layers as well.
The OP didn't ask for your opinions on layers... :roll:

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KVRian
645 posts since 11 Mar, 2010

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:13 am

AnX wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:24 am
Sinisterbr wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:06 am
chk071 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 am
Layers are the most horrible things ever invented.
Agreed. I hate layers as well.
The OP didn't ask for your opinions on layers... :roll:
You're right. Apologies to the OP for going off-topic.

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KVRAF
31165 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:18 am


KVRAF
29977 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:24 am

AnX wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:24 am
Sinisterbr wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:06 am
chk071 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 am
Layers are the most horrible things ever invented.
Agreed. I hate layers as well.
The OP didn't ask for your opinions on layers... :roll:
True, but, that never held anyone off here from replying anyway. :hihi:

FWIW, I was half joking. Although I really dislike layers. Unnecessary.
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1113 posts since 2 Feb, 2005

Post Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:58 pm

chk071 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:24 am
AnX wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:24 am
Sinisterbr wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:06 am
chk071 wrote:
Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:38 am
Layers are the most horrible things ever invented.
Agreed. I hate layers as well.
The OP didn't ask for your opinions on layers... :roll:
True, but, that never held anyone off here from replying anyway. :hihi:

FWIW, I was half joking. Although I really dislike layers. Unnecessary.
Just feel free and bring your own beer to discuss synth-layering.

The subject was triggered by Roland JD-800

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGSFjbjAUpg&t=9s (if you at least spend 3 mins to watch the intro)

Then I started to think which synths can program a patch has that much tiny detail sounds he played in the first 3 mins.

I have Rapid and Tone2 ElecX which more or less can program something like those patches in JD-800. Another approach is I can do it within Bitwig/Reason combinator or even Akai VIP (?) to combine 2 or more synth together to form a big lush sweeping + Tine pad sounds.

Both approaches have their own pros and cons. In the meantime, I will try to focus on a single synth to do the multi-layers programming.

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