One Synth Challenge #153: K1v by Nils Schneider (Vovaman wins!)

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hockinsk3
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114 posts since 28 Nov, 2009

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:20 am

Some useless oldschool Kawai K1 links floating around my brain from when the synth was used new:

The mighty Drexciya (James Stinson RIP) was a big K1 fan. You'll recognise the K1's choirs, bells & slap bass in this track Neon Falls and throughout the amazing The Quest album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2_QaTBR2T0

The main pads in the timeless 1990s LFO - LFO was a K1 too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnTS35hovCE

And Ability II Pressure, arguably the greatest bleep dub techno track of all time was done at LFOs studio in 1990 uses a few sounds from the same K1 I believe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv7R7nyd2b0

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ELEX
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351 posts since 29 Nov, 2019

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:00 am

A manual ( for the hardware ) can be found here:
https://kawaius.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... Manual.pdf

AlienXXX
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155 posts since 5 Nov, 2009

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:48 am

Hello folks!

My music might be s**t, but for me is all about the fun and trying different things.
So, I am very interested that this month the OSC is different in not just one but two ways: we are using a rompler instead of a synth and modulation and/or extreme effects are allowed. - So I am definitely in for this one!

Just to clarify one point on the rules, please:
bjporter wrote:
Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:18 pm
Rules Note:
  • Effects: For this month only the rules on Fx type are relaxed i.e. modulations, distortions, granular etc. may all be used (and can go full 11!) as long as the source sound is from the K1v - no external sound generators or audio rate modulations. All Fx used must be freeware and be freely available at the start of the competition, no betas.


When you say free, does that include effects that are built-in/included with the DAW?
When you say no audio rate modulation can I interpret that as long a the carrier and the modulator are both sounds from the K1v, then I can do whatever I want (muah ah ah ah ) ? :hihi: :hyper:

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RichardSemper
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721 posts since 30 Oct, 2013 from Stoke On Trent

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:13 am

AlienXXX wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:48 am
When you say free, does that include effects that are built-in/included with the DAW?
When you say no audio rate modulation can I interpret that as long a the carrier and the modulator are both sounds from the K1v, then I can do whatever I want (muah ah ah ah ) ? :hihi: :hyper:
1. Yes
2. I don't see why not! hehe :lol:

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FrogsInPants
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225 posts since 4 Nov, 2019

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:20 am

AlienXXX wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:48 am
My music might be s**t, but for me is all about the fun and trying different things.
:tu:
When you say free, does that include effects that are built-in/included with the DAW?
Effects included with the DAW are generally permitted, so I would assume they remain permitted and the rules about heavy effects are relaxed for them as well.
When you say no audio rate modulation can I interpret that as long a the carrier and the modulator are both sounds from the K1v, then I can do whatever I want (muah ah ah ah ) ? :hihi: :hyper:
Hmm, good question. Like ring modulation between two instances. Could be interesting.

I was wondering about comb filters.

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kraftraum
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202 posts since 1 Jul, 2004 from Germany

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:16 am

bh9090 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:40 am
EDIT!: This was the VST3 version on WIndows 10. VST2 DLL WORKS FINE AND SAVES.
Thx for the tip :tu:
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kraftraum
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202 posts since 1 Jul, 2004 from Germany

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:18 am

ELEX wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:00 am
A manual ( for the hardware ) can be found here:
https://kawaius.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... Manual.pdf
And a german one here:
https://www.kawai.de/service/k1_k1m.pd
https://soundcloud.com/kraftraum
-8<-------------------
Take it or break it!

hockinsk3
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114 posts since 28 Nov, 2009

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 10:31 am

Does anyone have the UK/Europe sysex patches? Pretty there were some differences iirc?

hockinsk3
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Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:27 am

A load of patches here if you've not found them already!
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Eauson
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1214 posts since 9 Jan, 2013 from morf

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:33 am

FrogsInPants wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 7:20 am
AlienXXX wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:48 am
My music might be s**t, but for me is all about the fun and trying different things.
:tu:
When you say free, does that include effects that are built-in/included with the DAW?
Effects included with the DAW are generally permitted, so I would assume they remain permitted and the rules about heavy effects are relaxed for them as well.
When you say no audio rate modulation can I interpret that as long a the carrier and the modulator are both sounds from the K1v, then I can do whatever I want (muah ah ah ah ) ? :hihi: :hyper:
Hmm, good question. Like ring modulation between two instances. Could be interesting.

I was wondering about comb filters.
If everything can be turned upto 11, & granular is okay, then I don’t think there would be an issue
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Juergen
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61 posts since 21 Jun, 2006

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:16 pm

kraftraum wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 8:18 am
ELEX wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:00 am
A manual ( for the hardware ) can be found here:
https://kawaius.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... Manual.pdf
And a german one here:
https://www.kawai.de/service/k1_k1m.pd
Danke ELEX und Kraftraum :tu:

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MilksterX
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127 posts since 27 Oct, 2020

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:32 pm

bh9090 wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 3:40 am
Don't spend a lot of time editing then think your DAW will save the config. Upon reloading, all patches went back to the lovely
IA-1 Ahh

I guess we'll need to edit patches, export the bank, then use program changes to load up the correct patch?
Would also need to import that bank on every instance every time you load the project?

Maybe I'm missing something. Hopefully.

EDIT!: This was the VST3 version on WIndows 10. VST2 DLL WORKS FINE AND SAVES.
ARGH a full day of creating patches and this happened to me. VST2s are fine just Windows 10 VST3
"Could not load the initial state" :evil:

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SeBaer
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152 posts since 3 Oct, 2019

Post Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:01 pm

A slightly unfavorable review of the original hardware (albeit revision II)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwYcrRNkgV8

hockinsk3
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114 posts since 28 Nov, 2009

Post Wed Nov 03, 2021 3:43 am

Don't know if the developer is reading here, but these are my two logs as the DAW attempts to load the saved plugin's state from the .vstpreset file or when loading a saved .vstpreset file manually into the K1v. Not a big issue for me but I assume some do prefer to use VST3 where possible.

Audio Engine Log

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PluginHost: Loading initial plugin state: C:\Users\skhoc\AppData\Local\Bitwig Studio\plugin-states\643c41e7-b8a9-4e91-9570-039c5efdd9ea.vstpreset
PluginHost: Sending error message: Could not load initial plugin state: Error loading VST3 preset: C:\Users\skhoc\AppData\Local\Bitwig Studio\plugin-states\643c41e7-b8a9-4e91-9570-039c5efdd9ea.vstpreset
Sending a shutdown request to the plugin host
PluginHost: Shutting down...
DAW Log

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[2021-11-03 11:17:57 float-document-master error] Nils' K1v is misbehaving: Received invalid parameter ID: -1

IV!
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398 posts since 31 Oct, 2019

Post Wed Nov 03, 2021 6:53 am

SeBaer wrote:
Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:01 pm
A slightly unfavorable review of the original hardware
I didn't understand everything, but it seems he initially chose an ironic line in relation to the synthesizer. In addition, perhaps he has an instance not in the best technical condition)
Anyway, I liked his jams! And it seems even more than himself! :hihi:

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