Sytrus demo pegs my meters
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2006 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from between my ears
hi,
i have heard nothing but good things about Sytrus and was curious to try the demo before jumping in for the excellent group buy price of $50.
however, when i use the demo, all the presets distort and cause my meters to go into the red immediately.
it's like the volume is at full on every preset, making them pretty unusable without immediate modification.
what's up with that? although the sounds are stunning (when volume is reduced), louder is not better.
also, i notice that i get immediate pops and clicks at my default ASIO bufsize=128 on the RME HDSP9652.
is this normal? none of my other hq synths give this trouble at this buffer size. the problem with pops/crackles goes away at larger buffer sizes but is this thing just CPU-intensive or what?
what are your experiences?
i have heard nothing but good things about Sytrus and was curious to try the demo before jumping in for the excellent group buy price of $50.
however, when i use the demo, all the presets distort and cause my meters to go into the red immediately.
it's like the volume is at full on every preset, making them pretty unusable without immediate modification.
what's up with that? although the sounds are stunning (when volume is reduced), louder is not better.
also, i notice that i get immediate pops and clicks at my default ASIO bufsize=128 on the RME HDSP9652.
is this normal? none of my other hq synths give this trouble at this buffer size. the problem with pops/crackles goes away at larger buffer sizes but is this thing just CPU-intensive or what?
what are your experiences?
- KVRian
- 759 posts since 10 Aug, 2004 from Fredericton NB
I don't have that problem; perhaps it is because you are using the VSTi version? I know someone else mentioned something to the same effect a while ago, and he was using the VSTi. I can't comment on what will be done about it though. IL will listen though if enough people have a problem with this.
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TechnoWeeniePas TechnoWeeniePas https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=27990
- KVRist
- 411 posts since 2 Jun, 2004 from Colorado
I cant say much about the demo as I never bothered with it...but I can say that I run the VSTi version on an old P3-1gHz and a SB Live with KX drivers (set at 256k buffers) and have no problems with clicking or poping...or any problems with it being exceptionaly loud...but I figure if you have problems with the demo you will probably have the same problems with the full version...that is usualy the case. What I can say though is that by playing 3-4 note chords I can easily push it up to 40-50% cpu usage on an average preset...sometimes higher depending on the preset.
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- KVRAF
- 7880 posts since 16 Apr, 2003 from -on the outside looking in
Amd 950: just about the exact same situation as above. 40-50% on a 3 note chord. No pops, no clicks, just pure creamy goodness in both the vsti and the FL version: I found no difference. Volume is medium with no pegs, sorry. Must be specific to your setup. I don't have asio, so nothing to add. Good luck.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2006 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from between my ears
thanks for your responses so far. it is true i have only tried the VST version in energyXT. guess i should test the DXi in SONAR as well. i didn't think that would make a difference, but it is worth a try.
for those of you using ASIO, what bufsize are you using? perhaps you have never noticed the pops/clicks due to running at 256 or higher? if so, could you run a quick test to see what happens if you drop this down to 128 and report back here. i'd be most interested to know.
i can oviously get around this by upping my bufize, but since none of my other synths require this, i was trying to understand the implications.
the real bummer is how it overloads the output. that's a little more difficult from a usability perspective.
thanks so far...
for those of you using ASIO, what bufsize are you using? perhaps you have never noticed the pops/clicks due to running at 256 or higher? if so, could you run a quick test to see what happens if you drop this down to 128 and report back here. i'd be most interested to know.
i can oviously get around this by upping my bufize, but since none of my other synths require this, i was trying to understand the implications.
the real bummer is how it overloads the output. that's a little more difficult from a usability perspective.
thanks so far...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2006 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from between my ears
i tried the Dxi in SONAR. exact same behaviour.
the patches by tim conrardy all play nice without the problem. most of the others just cause distortion(and i don't mean the good kind)!
bummer, cuz this thing sounds nice when you tweak it, but i don't get why i'm seeing the overload and no one else is...
the patches by tim conrardy all play nice without the problem. most of the others just cause distortion(and i don't mean the good kind)!
bummer, cuz this thing sounds nice when you tweak it, but i don't get why i'm seeing the overload and no one else is...
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- KVRAF
- 4683 posts since 16 Mar, 2004 from Columbia, MD
That's a ridiculously small buffer size, imo. I never use less than 2000 because I know pretty much all VSTs will give me pops and clicks at such small buffers. Sytrus works fine at 2000 (and so does about 10 copies of anything else!)
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2006 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from between my ears
yes, it is admittedly small. but no other plug-in i have pops and clicks at this setting. well...one other, daHornet. but all my other plugs work fine, so i leave it there for virtually no latency.zircon wrote:That's a ridiculously small buffer size, imo. I never use less than 2000 because I know pretty much all VSTs will give me pops and clicks at such small buffers. Sytrus works fine at 2000 (and so does about 10 copies of anything else!)
that includes every NI plug, all the rgcAudio stuff, Wusik stuff, and quite a few others, including demos of Albino, Cameleon5000, you name it.
that's why i posted. Sytrus immediately popped and clicked. to be honest, i had forgotten i had it set so low until Sytrus made me investigate.
but on the other hand, talk about ridiculous buffer sizes: 2000? are you serious? ASIO? you must get unbelievable delay due to latency. unplayable, i'm guessing. i'm talking about playing live. not playback. it wouldn't matter for that.
anyway, thanks for the input. just trying to get a handle on why the issue with Sytrus and not any other plug-in...
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- KVRist
- 411 posts since 2 Jun, 2004 from Colorado
I just set mine to 128k buffer and 5.33ms latency....and no pops, clicks, extra volume...nothing.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2006 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from between my ears
thanks for testing this. that's very interesting.TechnoWeeniePas wrote:I just set mine to 128k buffer and 5.33ms latency....and no pops, clicks, extra volume...nothing.
btw: i assume you mean 128, not 128k.
i get 3ms latency at 128. if i set to bufsize=256, latency goes to 6ms and the pops and clicks go away also. so that is consistent with what i asm seeing. the real question then i guess if what happens on your system at 3ms. can you go to bufsize=64 on your system. if so, and the poops and crackles start, then we are seeing the same thing.
then the only question is: why does Sytrus show this when no other synth i use does?
oh well, it may be just academic at that point.
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- KVRAF
- 4683 posts since 16 Mar, 2004 from Columbia, MD
Well, I don't play live, so the delay is negligible. 40ms is really next to nothing anyway, barely noticable.
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- KVRist
- 416 posts since 13 Jan, 2005
I've got the full version of Sytrus running on an Athlon XT 3200: Full cords about 12 to 15 percent CPU. Latency set to 30ms, no buffer settings with my ASIO setup. No pops or clicks. But if i use ASIO4ALL at same latency and buffer setting of 256 then Sytrus runs OK! Any lower latency or Buffer and i get the crackles!
Drop the sound settings in Windows to about 3/4, and increase it from your speakers if you can and this should help!
Drop the sound settings in Windows to about 3/4, and increase it from your speakers if you can and this should help!
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2006 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from between my ears
it is if you're drumming!zircon wrote:Well, I don't play live, so the delay is negligible. 40ms is really next to nothing anyway, barely noticable.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2006 posts since 16 Apr, 2004 from between my ears
thanks for confirming. that's what i thought.Willabong wrote: Latency set to 30ms, no buffer settings with my ASIO setup. No pops or clicks. But if i use ASIO4ALL at same latency and buffer setting of 256 then Sytrus runs OK! Any lower latency or Buffer and i get the crackles!
the thing is it's pegging the outputs in my host (eXT in this test), not to even mention once it gets out to my mixer. that means i have to adjust it every time, immediately upon loading it.Drop the sound settings in Windows to about 3/4, and increase it from your speakers if you can and this should help!
it just isn't normalized into the same range as every other instrument in the studio. for everything else i use, i can simply drop it into a project and pretty much use it.
although sytrus sounds great, it doesn't appear to fit into my setup very well...oh well.
thanks for the help everybody.