New Roland "DANCE" hardware- AIRA TR-8, TB-3, VT-3, SYSTEM-1

Anything about hardware musical instruments.
User avatar
MFXxx
KVRAF
2886 posts since 27 Mar, 2010 from UK

Post Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:20 pm

damoog wrote:***you still can't beat the hand on of analog though
Agreed, I wonder if that's the distinction of the end user nowadays. Users starting on ITB plugins and discovering/venturing to hardware. Hardware/software based and hardware only entusiasts.

Still looking forward to the conclusion of this release.
Image7820x 4.6ghz • 32GB Ram • 1050TI • SSDs & Hybrid Drives • RME FF800 • Adams A7X • Maschine • Analog Keys • Virus TI • JD800 • JV1080 • x0xb0x

ChiTown24
KVRian
756 posts since 9 Jan, 2012

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:02 pm

damoog wrote: I love analog,I own 3 real analog synths but if you asked my if liam howletts bass sounds on 'invaders must die' are all analog then I wouldn't be able to tell a plug from real analog on record,I also don't really care as long as it sounds good
what you've touched on here is the greatest fallacy in the whole, tired, 'Analogue VS Software' debate.

these well established musicians are using high-end analogue mastering chains, mastered in many cases by pros. I know for sure in Liam's case he's a big fan of the Thermionic Culture Vulture. IMO, these magazines - possibly in conjunction with the artist - are being deceitful when they omit these facts. Possibly for noble causes, so that the reader doesn't feel like he 'needs' a $3,000 tube distortion to make good music. But sometimes I think for less noble causes, when I read some artist claiming he 'only' used Sampler in a certain track - but then, he has a vested interest in Ableton - so why isn't he telling the full story about how and where the track was mastered too, as if that has no bearing on the sound ?

if I were to sell almost all of my hardware, and go primarily ITB, I'd stop short of selling everything and keep my soundcard {of course, it's also the best I could afford} plus analogue eq/compression/distortion/filter/tape or analogue delay/springreverb. with the right key pieces of analogue outboard, you can do very well indeed with a mostly computer setup.

above all else though, if you haven't got the compositional chops you won't do well with any setup, and natural talent will shine through even with nothing but freeware.

0.02

dcfac73
KVRian
836 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from Sydney

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:43 pm

chk071 wrote:
dcfac73 wrote:Just on the whole Analogue Vs Sftware (VA) debate...how many of you could actually tell if a real 808 was used in a commercial recording or not?
It is still being used? :P Don't think i heard it in a commercial production in the last 10 years. I'm sure they will have implemented loads of stuff which will make it more than justa 808 emulation.
Are you kidding? The "sound" of the 808 is used in practically every hip-hop and related track out there right now. The genre of Trap is pretty much all 808 for the drums.

It's also used in a the current genre of "bass" music- eg Machinedrum, etc.

"I'm sure they will have implemented loads of stuff which will make it more than justa 808 emulation"

I'm hoping so, otherwise they're missing a great opportunity

VitaminD
Pick Me Pick me!
8660 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from a state of confusion

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:44 pm

dcfac73 wrote:
VitaminD wrote:I find it interesting that Roland designed a bunch of hardware for purposes at which they largely failed and people loved them (hardware).

I've heard how flawed the 808 303 etc were designed.. but now they are some of the aural cornerstones of a multibillion dollar industry. 'Legendary' some even call them. Crappy backing percussion units and a crappy backing bassline unit.. when you add overdrive or compression and push them to the front, they instantly become thousand dollar products that are recreated, sampled, and copied over and over.

No wonder Roland are confused! :lol:

They are trying to purposely give us what they think we want.. What they need to do is give us what we don't want.. it will, in turn actually be what we want.. or something.. :wheee:
I actually Do want this. I love the 808. I can't get enough of it. I kinda collect 808 sounds, samples, vsts. The only thing I don't have is a real one :x
If Roland can bring something out which approximates the sound ( al la Arturia) then I'm all for it. The box looks sexy as too. Drool factor. Porn for gear whores.
I think I do too. But that isn't what I was (jokingly) saying.. I was saying they made some electronic devices thinking they were (as they created them) what the end-user wanted.

In reality, the end-user did not want them as Roland designed them. It wasn't until someone(s) experimented with other methods of using them in song that they became desired.

So, jokingly, I was saying Roland should do the opposite of what they think because their first ideas were really terribly spectacular! (In a good way) :lol:

Their second or third ideas (MC-303 and revised Juno-named rompler as examples) were what they THOUGHT people wanted. In reality, the end-user (largely) didn't want old ideas rehashed in watered down plastic. The end-user wanted the old truly invigorated.

So they seem to need to give the end-user what they don't want. :hihi:
"Use the talents you possess, for the woods would be very silent if no birds sang except the best." - Henry Van Dyke

dcfac73
KVRian
836 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from Sydney

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:46 pm

damoog wrote:
dcfac73 wrote:Just on the whole Analogue Vs Sftware (VA) debate...how many of you could actually tell if a real 808 was used in a commercial recording or not? Maybe the difference could be heard with a genuine machine and VA or samples side by side, but , at least for me, I couldn't tell the difference...nor do I care. The sound of VA/Sampled 808s is fine for me. If Roland can bring out an 808 with similar sounds, and the ability to sequence and synthesise sounds in meaningful and creative ways..then I'll be saving my bikkies.
Yeah,good point to be fair.

I love analog,I own 3 real analog synths but if you asked my if liam howletts bass sounds on 'invaders must die' are all analog then I wouldn't be able to tell a plug from real analog on record,I also don't really care as long as it sounds good

,you stil can't beat the hand on of analog though
With what they're proposing, we may get the best of both worlds

dcfac73
KVRian
836 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from Sydney

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:49 pm

VitaminD wrote:
dcfac73 wrote:
VitaminD wrote:I find it interesting that Roland designed a bunch of hardware for purposes at which they largely failed and people loved them (hardware).

I've heard how flawed the 808 303 etc were designed.. but now they are some of the aural cornerstones of a multibillion dollar industry. 'Legendary' some even call them. Crappy backing percussion units and a crappy backing bassline unit.. when you add overdrive or compression and push them to the front, they instantly become thousand dollar products that are recreated, sampled, and copied over and over.

No wonder Roland are confused! :lol:

They are trying to purposely give us what they think we want.. What they need to do is give us what we don't want.. it will, in turn actually be what we want.. or something.. :wheee:
I actually Do want this. I love the 808. I can't get enough of it. I kinda collect 808 sounds, samples, vsts. The only thing I don't have is a real one :x
If Roland can bring something out which approximates the sound ( al la Arturia) then I'm all for it. The box looks sexy as too. Drool factor. Porn for gear whores.
I think I do too. But that isn't what I was (jokingly) saying.. I was saying they made some electronic devices thinking they were (as they created them) what the end-user wanted.

In reality, the end-user did not want them as Roland designed them. It wasn't until someone(s) experimented with other methods of using them in song that they became desired.

So, jokingly, I was saying Roland should do the opposite of what they think because their first ideas were really terribly spectacular! (In a good way) :lol:

Their second or third ideas (MC-303 and revised Juno-named rompler as examples) were what they THOUGHT people wanted. In reality, the end-user (largely) didn't want old ideas rehashed in watered down plastic. The end-user wanted the old truly invigorated.

So they seem to need to give the end-user what they don't want. :hihi:
Good point actually.

Manufacturers put things out to satisfy particular demands, eg Dubstep making things, or trance lead synths. They're kind of following trends rather than putting out their own thing and letting the creativity of its users to decide what it will be put to use to.

dcfac73
KVRian
836 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from Sydney

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:01 pm

chk071 wrote:
dcfac73 wrote:Just on the whole Analogue Vs Sftware (VA) debate...how many of you could actually tell if a real 808 was used in a commercial recording or not?
It is still being used? :P Don't think i heard it in a commercial production in the last 10 years. I'm sure they will have implemented loads of stuff which will make it more than justa 808 emulation.
Oh, I think you meant if the REAL 808 was still used. If so, I apologise.

chk071
KVRAF
17680 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Fri Jan 17, 2014 5:05 pm

Well i did kind of. ^^ Nevermind though, just because it doesn't still dominate my type of music, that doesn't have to mean it is not still present in other music styles, i was a bit quick with the word there. :)

breakmixer
KVRAF
4213 posts since 14 Nov, 2008 from UK

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Sat Jan 18, 2014 9:34 am

dcfac73 wrote:
chk071 wrote:
dcfac73 wrote:Just on the whole Analogue Vs Sftware (VA) debate...how many of you could actually tell if a real 808 was used in a commercial recording or not?
It is still being used? :P Don't think i heard it in a commercial production in the last 10 years. I'm sure they will have implemented loads of stuff which will make it more than justa 808 emulation.
Are you kidding? The "sound" of the 808 is used in practically every hip-hop and related track out there right now. The genre of Trap is pretty much all 808 for the drums.

It's also used in a the current genre of "bass" music- eg Machinedrum, etc.

"I'm sure they will have implemented loads of stuff which will make it more than justa 808 emulation"

I'm hoping so, otherwise they're missing a great opportunity
+1,

It's regurlarly used in Nu Disco, Breaks, Nu Electro, Trap, Miami Bass(still made today), Modern Hip Hop/RnB, House, Techno, in fact there is not a dance genre that doesn't use it at some point nowadays,

Commercial tracks include Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom Pow, LL.Cool J - Control Myself, Missy Elliot - Lose Control, even Snoop Dogs's latest tune is 808...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXn1gdmnhlU#t=40

dcfac73
KVRian
836 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from Sydney

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:49 pm


User avatar
Ingonator
KVRAF
12043 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:08 am

This was alraedy discussed earlier here and done based on speculations which are based on a product description in a dutch online shop that was removed later.
Personally i'll wait for the official specs which should be know next week when NAMM starts.


Ingo
Ingo Weidner
notebook: HP Omen 15.6" / Win 10 Home 64-bit / i7-7700HQ 2.8 GHz / 16GB RAM / 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD (internal) // audio: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 (2nd gen)
DAWs: Live 10 Suite / Cubase Pro 9.5 // controller: Komplete Kontrol S61 Mk1

iDesignSound
KVRist
250 posts since 29 Apr, 2011

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:30 am

There's some more info here, still don't know if it's analog or digital though

http://www.x0xclones.com/roland-aira-tr-8/

The fact that both complete Kits as we'll as individual instruments can be loaded does lead you to think that it must be digital and could include kits for the various TR machines, 505, 606, 707, 808, 909 etc. (not just the 808), although having each Track pre-labelled does kinda make me question this.

Alex

breakmixer
KVRAF
4213 posts since 14 Nov, 2008 from UK

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Sun Jan 19, 2014 1:43 pm

iDesignSound wrote:There's some more info here, still don't know if it's analog or digital though

http://www.x0xclones.com/roland-aira-tr-8/

The fact that both complete Kits as we'll as individual instruments can be loaded does lead you to think that it must be digital and could include kits for the various TR machines, 505, 606, 707, 808, 909 etc. (not just the 808), although having each Track pre-labelled does kinda make me question this.

Alex
No Cowbell, No Claves, No(can't think of the other one)

The photo on that link can be blown up. :smack:

User avatar
david.beholder
KVRian
1499 posts since 13 Sep, 2007

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:41 am

breakmixer wrote:No Cowbell :smack:
Damn...

Image
Image Murderous duck!

User avatar
Ingonator
KVRAF
12043 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

Re: New Roland "DANCE" hardware - 'AIRA' TR-08 {and TB-03 ?}

Post Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:24 am

even more cowbell:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET4vkBluR_4

This is a prototype of the Aira CB-08 (CB for cowbell...).

They also plan a cheaper version (CB-08D, D for digital) that uses a combination of VAC (Virtual Analog Cowbell) and PCM (Physical Cowbell Modelling).In the past the term PCM was misused for using samples...
The VAC engine consists of following modules: Virtual Cowbell Oscillator (VCO), Virtual Cowbell Filter (VCF) and Virtual Cowbell Amplifier (VCA).

There will be also a special version of the Continuum MIDI controller with a built-in VAC engine which will be called "VAC-uum".

The CMT technology in Korgs VA synths was originally called "Cowbell Modelling Technology" which later was changed to "Component Modelling Technology".

Yamahas old analog synths oiriginally were built to create Cowbell sounds (CS = Cowbell Synth) and later "misused" by e.g. Vangelis.

NI for Komplete 10 are planning to release a new product called "Massive Kowbell".

Not to forget that Kurzweil is working on a VACST engine (Variable Architecture Cowbell Synthesis Technology) while FXpasnion will release a Cowbell synth based on DCCAM (Discrete Components Cowbell Analog Modelling).

All this could be seen as a secret "Cowbell Conspracy" (did you ever think about what CC actually means then now you got it...)


PS:
Massive Kowbell will be based on this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSOzmdQggmY


Ingo
Ingo Weidner
notebook: HP Omen 15.6" / Win 10 Home 64-bit / i7-7700HQ 2.8 GHz / 16GB RAM / 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD (internal) // audio: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 (2nd gen)
DAWs: Live 10 Suite / Cubase Pro 9.5 // controller: Komplete Kontrol S61 Mk1

Return to “Hardware (Instruments and Effects)”