I think the Seaboard could actually do something similar by just having the initial range separate from the deeper range. In some software it would be possible with a pressure curve but I'm sure the physical range on this new Osmose would allow for better separation.aMUSEd wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:00 pmYes this is the weakness of the touch-based approaches like Seaboard and QuNexus - combining traditional piano action with polyphonic aftertouch would make this much easier to learn and play for meEchoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:52 pm Looks pretty amazing. The separation of initial pressure and aftertouch is really brilliant.
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Gridless = Fretless (on a fretless you can play off tune, especially not skilful enough cello and violin or double bass players), on fretless bass guitars, there are usually visual marks on where the frets would have sat, had the fretboard got wired with actual frets.EvilDragon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:53 pm Of course you alter the note's frequency with slides. Especially on fretless instruments. Please don't derail another thread.
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https://youtu.be/ygOAz6UsRhs
Very good combination between Haken Continuum and typical piano keyboard.
Good luck with its price. I assume 61 keys will be around $2000US (rough estimation).
They demonstrated FINALLY what Pitch Bend is (although just a roughly "semi-tone" up/down... maybe software dependent?) at 4:50 min!
So... you know...
Understanding is much more valuable than knowing.
Very good combination between Haken Continuum and typical piano keyboard.
Good luck with its price. I assume 61 keys will be around $2000US (rough estimation).
They demonstrated FINALLY what Pitch Bend is (although just a roughly "semi-tone" up/down... maybe software dependent?) at 4:50 min!
So... you know...
Understanding is much more valuable than knowing.
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Price might get a bit prohibitive...EvilDragon wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:47 pm Honestly I wanna know if they're gonna make bigger versions. 61 or 88 key...
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Quite possible, but let's see what will the developers say and will it be editable.
It might be related to polyphonic aftertouch, but the guys from Haken know best.
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It's not just that it's "quite possible", it IS that. It's poly AT but doing pitch bend in the synth engine. Check out EaganMatrix to find out more about it.
But also, there are a bunch of other ways to do PITCH BEND.
But also, there are a bunch of other ways to do PITCH BEND.
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Pur speculation, I didn't try it, perhaps the initial pressure is a continuous controller like we find on the seaboard, continuum, linnstrument.....and the poly aftertouch,like on "classic" keyboard will controller the cc74, Y, slide.....Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:05 pmI think the Seaboard could actually do something similar by just having the initial range separate from the deeper range. In some software it would be possible with a pressure curve but I'm sure the physical range on this new Osmose would allow for better separation.aMUSEd wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:00 pmYes this is the weakness of the touch-based approaches like Seaboard and QuNexus - combining traditional piano action with polyphonic aftertouch would make this much easier to learn and play for meEchoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:52 pm Looks pretty amazing. The separation of initial pressure and aftertouch is really brilliant.
@ Urs : mpe+ could be a great addition into Zebra3
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Certainly, but my point is how tweakble and more over how controllable will it be in terms of range of "semitones".
My research and experiments show that a local (actual) Pitch Bend gets out of control over ±4 "semitones" (there is no such thing as semitone but anyway... they are tones, real, distinguishable).
That is - major 3rd - in classical terms.
It really gets quite tricky to control bending over that range - better use slide further that moment/range.
Also more than 4 fingers bending (that is 2 fingers per hand), leads to a mess, not practical at all (if a single player is performing). The human hand (fingers) is (are) not suited for such multiple wiggles.
But I may be wrong. I am not a keyboard player (a drummer ).
My research and experiments show that a local (actual) Pitch Bend gets out of control over ±4 "semitones" (there is no such thing as semitone but anyway... they are tones, real, distinguishable).
That is - major 3rd - in classical terms.
It really gets quite tricky to control bending over that range - better use slide further that moment/range.
Also more than 4 fingers bending (that is 2 fingers per hand), leads to a mess, not practical at all (if a single player is performing). The human hand (fingers) is (are) not suited for such multiple wiggles.
But I may be wrong. I am not a keyboard player (a drummer ).
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Oh I didn't even think about the fact that Y axis expression isn't there. For some reason I thought it would be, like Touch Keys. Or like the Haken continuum. I guess that's another thing differentiating it from a seaboard.Whywhy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:52 pmPur speculation, I didn't try it, perhaps the initial pressure is a continuous controller like we find on the seaboard, continuum, linnstrument.....and the poly aftertouch,like on "classic" keyboard will controller the cc74, Y, slide.....Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:05 pmI think the Seaboard could actually do something similar by just having the initial range separate from the deeper range. In some software it would be possible with a pressure curve but I'm sure the physical range on this new Osmose would allow for better separation.aMUSEd wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:00 pmYes this is the weakness of the touch-based approaches like Seaboard and QuNexus - combining traditional piano action with polyphonic aftertouch would make this much easier to learn and play for meEchoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:52 pm Looks pretty amazing. The separation of initial pressure and aftertouch is really brilliant.
@ Urs : mpe+ could be a great addition into Zebra3
It would be weird if the initial pressure was sending timbre/Y expression. Because you must go through that range to get to aftertouch. Timbre modulation isn't usually something you want all the time. I would have thought the other way would be better. Initial pressure is MPE pressure and Osomse aftertouch could send timbre (the option additional expression). Down side would be of course that you must have full pressure sent to use the aftertouch message.
Each hardware device will certainly be best with the sounds designed for it. Same is true for linnstrument and Seaboard already.