Why you left VSTs?

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TheMaestro
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126 posts since 26 Jan, 2020

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:46 am

Warmth?
You need to touch something?
Fan of fan noise?
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vurt
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61442 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:48 am

had space on a table.

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Forgotten
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9918 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:12 pm

Went to AUs

V0RT3X
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8183 posts since 4 Jul, 2012 from Alesia

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:13 pm

Cause it was a pipe dream

jdoo
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494 posts since 23 Dec, 2011

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:14 pm

Because I finally got back to a place in life where I could once again had space for, and could afford hardware synths. TBH... I haven't 'left' VST/AUs.. I was giving them a rest.

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jacqueslacouth
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1129 posts since 18 Nov, 2004 from The Liberated People's Republic of Straya

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:54 pm

I wouldn't say I have left them completely, but I have definitely stopped spending good money on them.

I guess, at least in part, the reason for this is the frustration of not always knowing that they are going to continue to work after buying them (an in all fairness, the vast majority do continue to work fine). But examples such as refx, camel audio, and Linplug who just pull the pin on products altogether, developers who change the playing field in their licensing/authorisation/anti-piracy methods such as Kelliworth, refx (again), Disco DSP, the increasing trend towards subscription models (Netflix and Spotify are enough) AND all of the above, it just tends to be a less and less inviting prospect to spend my money on.

On the other hand, whilst there are a few cases of needed repairs, my hardware instruments have continued to work without issue exactly as intended for decades...I guess I am a bit of a fossil and something of a ludite, but I really appreciate things that at most, require to push an "on" button to make them work.

Oh yes, I forgot to mention the never ending battle to keep things compatible with OS upgrades.

.jon
KVRAF
5514 posts since 9 Jul, 2002 from Helsinki

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:22 pm

Guess I just enjoy playing instruments. I still use Reaktor and Aalto, but at some point they will be replaced with hardware as well.

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vurt
addled muppet weed
61442 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:21 pm

using hardware is very much like making love to a beautiful woman but the occasional "cyber sex" session can be fun too.

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foosnark
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5108 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:33 pm

TheMaestro wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:46 am
Fan of fan noise?
There actually have been a few times when I've attached a contact mic to a desk fan, or sampled a laptop fan with a portable recorder.

Anyway...

Early in 2016 my MIDI controller died, and on a whim I bought a Microbrute to replace it -- both as MIDI controller and for its own synth sounds. I fell in love with it. I tried a few desktop synths and eBay finds and nothing else really grabbed me.

Then in October was Luftrum's charity auction, and Mutable Instruments donated some Eurorack modules. I started looking into that, and wound up winning a module and buying two others "to expand the Microbrute." I discovered I really liked working with Eurorack because it's a very wide open, anything-goes sort of world compared to the relative restrictions of MIDI and VST instruments and the types of synthesis represented there.

Last year I added a Lyra-8, which is another awesome, hands-on instrument that is like nothing that exists in software.

kvotchin
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356 posts since 9 Aug, 2018

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:07 pm

LOL @ plugins not being “wide open”, a la modular.

Just need the right plugins, frankly, and unless you simply prefer the feel/sound of specific hardware, you’re sorted.
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foosnark
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5108 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:57 pm

kvotchin wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:07 pm
LOL @ plugins not being “wide open”, a la modular.
Spoken like someone who hasn't used hardware modular and isn't really aware of what's out there. Like I wasn't until I did it.

I'm not talking about the modular and modular-ish plugins that arrived on the scene in the last couple of years as a reaction to the rise of Eurorack; nor am I talking about stuff people build in Max etc. But even Softube or VCV aren't quite up to the real thing.

CapnLockheed
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2318 posts since 12 Mar, 2002 from Central NY

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:51 pm

I quit using hardware years ago because I got tired of not being allowed to re-sell it or having to pay exorbitant license transfer fees to do so. And hardware is just to easy to move around and setup. I need to get my exercize in.

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kvotchin
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356 posts since 9 Aug, 2018

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:21 pm

foosnark wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:57 pm
kvotchin wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:07 pm
LOL @ plugins not being “wide open”, a la modular.
Spoken like someone who hasn't used hardware modular and isn't really aware of what's out there. Like I wasn't until I did it.

I'm not talking about the modular and modular-ish plugins that arrived on the scene in the last couple of years as a reaction to the rise of Eurorack; nor am I talking about stuff people build in Max etc. But even Softube or VCV aren't quite up to the real thing.
Wrong. I have a Eurorack setup, ever-expanding. I also have a lot of VSTs that are equally “out there” and capable.
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Russell Grand
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2467 posts since 22 May, 2017

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:06 pm

There's plenty of space for both hardware and plugins. No reason whatsoever to leave VSTs.

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Russell Grand
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2467 posts since 22 May, 2017

Re: Why you left VSTs?

Post Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:07 pm

kvotchin wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:21 pm
foosnark wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:57 pm
kvotchin wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:07 pm
LOL @ plugins not being “wide open”, a la modular.
Spoken like someone who hasn't used hardware modular and isn't really aware of what's out there. Like I wasn't until I did it.

I'm not talking about the modular and modular-ish plugins that arrived on the scene in the last couple of years as a reaction to the rise of Eurorack; nor am I talking about stuff people build in Max etc. But even Softube or VCV aren't quite up to the real thing.
Wrong. I have a Eurorack setup, ever-expanding. I also have a lot of VSTs that are equally “out there” and capable.
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