Q: Multiband .. Multi-output ?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10310 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
Just musing ....
Would anyone find it useful if the audio in the different bands in the Multiband plug-ins were routed to separate stereo outputs?
if so, how would you use it?
Would anyone find it useful if the audio in the different bands in the Multiband plug-ins were routed to separate stereo outputs?
if so, how would you use it?
- KVRian
- 1070 posts since 23 Sep, 2006
Essentially you can use the surround functionality for this.
-Use MXXX.
-Ensure it's set to process in surround (Settings).
-Change the processing mode from L&R to 7.1 in the same place you'd set up Mid/Side processing.
-Either use the crossover module or the global crossovers (at the top left) to set up the number of bands.
-On each band, place a channel matrix module.
-Use the module to redirect the sound from the L/R input to the desired output (e.g. 5 &6).
I do a lot of work in surround, Melda plugs are awesome for surround work
-Use MXXX.
-Ensure it's set to process in surround (Settings).
-Change the processing mode from L&R to 7.1 in the same place you'd set up Mid/Side processing.
-Either use the crossover module or the global crossovers (at the top left) to set up the number of bands.
-On each band, place a channel matrix module.
-Use the module to redirect the sound from the L/R input to the desired output (e.g. 5 &6).
I do a lot of work in surround, Melda plugs are awesome for surround work
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- KVRist
- 283 posts since 22 Sep, 2015
Yes! I talked to a developer some time ago. He said this will never happen, cause this would make any multiband plugin obsolete!
Just buy 1, "bypass" the processing, route the output and use any single band fx. This way you could easily make every plugin an multiband plugin. So the (commercial) plugin industry would destroy a big part of itself
Just buy 1, "bypass" the processing, route the output and use any single band fx. This way you could easily make every plugin an multiband plugin. So the (commercial) plugin industry would destroy a big part of itself
Last edited by Soundplex on Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 10310 posts since 2 Sep, 2003 from Surrey, UK
Oops - my twisted mind hadn't thought of that.
Back to MXXX, then.
Back to MXXX, then.
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- KVRist
- 193 posts since 3 Mar, 2013
If I recall correctly, surround formats were discontinued on the AAX version of Melda plugs, because the upmixing entries overpopulated the plug-in list... I wonder if this will get fixed at some point.
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122
- KVRAF
- 14019 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
DarkStar, that won't happen. Partly because it would make the plugins slightly obsolete, but mainly because almost no hosts support multiout...
mesaone: Yeah, well, that's ProTools... I asked them many times and they are unable to do a submenues, which is about 10 minutes of work for an average programmer... And some stubborn users even dared to complain "it is a problem in the plugins"... so... AAX doesn't even support stereo sidechains...
mesaone: Yeah, well, that's ProTools... I asked them many times and they are unable to do a submenues, which is about 10 minutes of work for an average programmer... And some stubborn users even dared to complain "it is a problem in the plugins"... so... AAX doesn't even support stereo sidechains...
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- KVRist
- 193 posts since 3 Mar, 2013
I think you may be referring to me when you reference "stubborn users." I was pointing out that other plug-ins don't encounter the same issue, so I thought placing all the blame on Pro Tools wasn't accurate. Submenus would be nice, but then again so would a selection of surround-enabled Melda AAX without an excess of upmix configurations in the list - but I do agree that Pro Tools needs subcategories for mono-to-surround and stereo-to-surround, just like they already have for mono-to-stereo.MeldaProduction wrote:mesaone: Yeah, well, that's ProTools... I asked them many times and they are unable to do a submenues, which is about 10 minutes of work for an average programmer... And some stubborn users even dared to complain "it is a problem in the plugins"... so... AAX doesn't even support stereo sidechains...
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- KVRAF
- 14019 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
ups . I'm overly honest as usual . Anyway it's indeed all on ProTools I'm afraid. The plugin cannot do anything about it, it's the host, that defines the (very bad in this case) workflow. The plugins can just limit the features, as we were forced to. Not that it would be something supernecessary, I mean how often you do 2->5.1 expansion for example, but still, all just because they cannot implement a simple menu, that's just sad... But they don't care as long as they earn lots of money (which I just don't get how is possible ).
- KVRAF
- 1943 posts since 17 Jun, 2005
Ah, found this thread while wanting to ask this same thing, so apologies for the "slight" old thread bumpage. I find this answer rather strange, as practically all hosts support multiple outputs? I was contemplating on purchasing a mrhythmizermb license, and while demoing it, I wondered whether different bands could be routed to individual outputs. Turns out, they can't , and that's fine -- but I just had to comment on this. Multiple outputs has been a very common thing in DAW work for many years.MeldaProduction wrote:DarkStar, that won't happen. Partly because it would make the plugins slightly obsolete, but mainly because almost no hosts support multiout...
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- KVRist
- 244 posts since 15 Sep, 2002
Maybe this?
https://klevgrand.se/products/gaffel/
https://klevgrand.se/products/gaffel/
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- Banned
- 131 posts since 14 Mar, 2017
I was looking for something like this too and this seems to be pretty easy. Did it with BlueCatAudios MB-7 until now. Mulit-out would have been great on it. I know hosts can handle instrument mutli-outs very well, but I don't know about FX multi-outs. Is this even possible?simonhans73 wrote:Maybe this?
https://klevgrand.se/products/gaffel/
- KVRAF
- 1943 posts since 17 Jun, 2005
Yep. Just as possible as with instruments, if an effect declares additional outputs to a host. Personally, I've been using Reaktor as a "stereo pair in -> four stereo pairs out" effect in both Live and Reaper for... the last decade or soMagnut wrote:I know hosts can handle instrument mutli-outs very well, but I don't know about FX multi-outs. Is this even possible?
Edit: Gaffel seems nice.
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- Banned
- 131 posts since 14 Mar, 2017
Thank you, didn't know that I'll test Gaffel then and maybe Klevgrand implements a multi-out version (if it's not already in there). But these synced instances are at least a good way of doing it.Guenon wrote:Yep. Just as possible as with instruments, if an effect declares additional outputs to a host. Personally, I've been using Reaktor as a "stereo pair in -> four stereo pairs out" effect in both Live and Reaper for... the last decade or soMagnut wrote:I know hosts can handle instrument mutli-outs very well, but I don't know about FX multi-outs. Is this even possible?
Edit: Gaffel seems nice.
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- KVRist
- 49 posts since 30 Jan, 2014
Alternatively checkout Metaplugin from DDMF. I believe it can make any plugin a multiband plugin with multi output.