No One Told Me

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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Post Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:17 am

improvement
perspective hard to come by here

I want out
ultimately, link now at bottom of page
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KVRAF
3150 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England

Re: No One Told Me

Post Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:04 pm

Excellent stuff. All over the place yet carefully controlled. Love how the guitar pulls the odd 'unreal' move (though I'm a shitty strummer so maybe those sounds are possible on a real instrument).

Coming from a no wave and noise rock angle (with the baggage that implies,) I'd like to hear the drums smack as hard as the guitar. They sound comparatively polite next to the raging feedback storm. I'd like to hear them distorted together, fighting with each other.

Great tune anyway!

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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: No One Told Me

Post Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:28 pm

Yeah, I tend to think the drums are simply not loud enough for the guitar. Thanks for that, I am looking for other perspective. At this point I think the mix is ok but I'm really shy about a lot of level in the drums. However I'm staying with naturalistic, largely (I am using some 'drive' on a couple toms). I'm using a LOT of bleed (there are times where I'm seeing a lot of meter in the snare channel but no hay snare) and resonance spill; so I'm trying to maintain the 'pretty' respective to that. I think it's just not present enough. It's a very involved drums mix, not just the spill but sends to the ambient channels and so forth means a real balancing act.

There are one or three things that could not possibly be done in reality as far as the guitar part. But that's where there are two lines. I imagine that's what you're hearing. I just didn't want to separate because there are things which happen in the one part from the collision of tones that otherwise won't happen.

I'm kind of happy with the composition. I stuck with the original improv, which as harmonized is more revealed as going places.

Thanks!

I f**ked up the link since this, replacing 0 with 1 [to get it to play embedded] except not. Fixed. :oops:

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seismic1
KVRAF
9141 posts since 13 Mar, 2009 from UK

Re: No One Told Me

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 4:24 pm

The drums never sounded too high in the mix, but maybe the toms could come up a little, maybe 2dB relative to the other instruments, but that might not be so easy depending on the separation between the toms and the rest of the drum mix.

Good to hear that the band got back together :wink:

Good work :)

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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: No One Told Me

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:20 pm

toms are a little louder, still, now. I wish I had control over which mics are used, or something; the toms in particular are bleeding like f**k all over each other, otherwise it isn't like reality worth a shit. So it's a tough mix and a learning situation.

At one point, and I had to restart the system behind it because nothing I did caused it specifically (and restarting fixed it per se), one tom was horribly loud and hideous. Cutting through the din made me push the shit out of a couple of things in the drums. The vagaries of DAW/MIDI are at its peak with this one. I was rendering the guitar channels separately (there is a thing I love which happens every view plays back that doesn't render, apparently; the phasing goes nuts, a bit helicopter-like), at various times during this journey and it's hard to feature how different some things are.

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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: No One Told Me

Post Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:23 pm

Oh yeah, as to 'unreal' the wah stuff no way happens with a foot doing it.

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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: No One Told Me

Post Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:01 pm

I am basically done.
Yes, I'm mix it again in all likelihood but this is pretty much it.

one mo' 'gin
and, officially:
No One Told Me
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KVRAF
3150 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England

Re: No One Told Me

Post Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:11 pm

I get a different experience from this every time I come back. Is there more harmonisation and instrumentation in this iteration? I'm getting something that feels a lot more together and 'meshed' this time around. It's still wild, but everything seems to be propelling everything else along really nicely. The drum sound makes a lot more sense in its new context. Like there's a clearer internal dialogue and a much clearer feeling of precision to everything.

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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: No One Told Me

Post Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:18 pm

since the above, it's just mixing except for really small tweaks to the velocity for a couple of the arpeggi in the piano part and a little more precision in the bass part in like two spots. Wait, I replaced a couple of cymbal crashes with other choices.

The drums are pretty important to the overall impression, I suppose. But certain things in the piano part, which are really important, weren't loud enough at one time.

thanks

Ok, yeah, this is a thing finally. Let's let youtube degrade the quality some:

https://youtu.be/KvtpYxG6pvs

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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: No One Told Me

Post Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:44 pm

I got a render finally with that phasing wildness in the one spot before it goes melodic, so this is a wrap.

Here's the video before Youtube compresses it (It is optimized to stream, video-wise but it contains the 24-bit 48khz audio):
a link to the fricken video

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seismic1
KVRAF
9141 posts since 13 Mar, 2009 from UK

Re: No One Told Me

Post Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:53 pm

I haven't listened to this this 10/07, but I think the toms have more presence than last time I checked.

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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: No One Told Me

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:49 am

For once, every render is noticeably better, in my assessment.

I don't want to do any more because the one thing I kind of need in there is going to vanish forever I fear.
Maybe down the road a bit I'll deal with a couple of things near the end where the tone of the timpani, and the marimba particularly aren't up to snuff and splice two 2-files together for a composite.

Right now I want to do something else; this took a month.

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KVRAF
5712 posts since 9 Mar, 2003 from The Druid Hills

Re: No One Told Me

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:17 am

stayed away for a bit , while you were working this out ...
liking the 10/09 iteration quite a bit ...
the e-piano is the hidden gem in this track ...
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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: No One Told Me

Post Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:43 am

Thank you.

Yeah, I think the piano is indispensable, particularly in appearing to be the linchpin in effecting the climatic changes

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jancivil
KVRAF
17581 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: No One Told Me

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:05 am

A somewhat different render.

This is easily the most variance render to render I have experienced (which isn't a new thing). It's all the lead guitar track. This is two different renders spliced together. It's a seamless splice but it exposes the difference at exactly the edit point.

I suppose latency has something to do with all the FX on the guitar. The wah is the chief culprit, has to be.

https://youtu.be/DvrPbSqKzwo
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