Behringer V-Verb Pro - a real Lexicon and TC Killer ?
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- KVRian
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- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
okay guys just bought the Behringer V-Verb because I read some stunning reviews about this hardware box.
And what should I say....
This thing is a absolute Lexicon/TC killer.
I don't know how these guys did it at Behringer but this BOX DOES DEFINITLY ROCK THE SHIT OUT OF MY SPEAKERS!
Its on par with every convolution reverb plug-in plus you can change the sound dramatically to what you need.
I did some comparison with Lexicon 960L,480L and TC M5000 impulses and the Behringer toy can sound like any of these impulses running through convolution plug-in.
Plus: I think it also too sounds better than the convolution plug-ins at the higher freqency range...more airy....
and it fits better into mixes, because it sounds more realistic and 3D than convolution, and doesnt get too much muddy in base department....
that may be due to the quality loss during sampling the impulses...
And the price is a joke....for 130€ you may get the two optical connectors for a Lexicon 960L. (or a used MPX100, which I once had-> this wonderful peace of fluttering shit)
And I wasn't too far away from buying the IK CSR-1 reverb.
Thankfully I didn't do that and saved some money.
Def. the best thing I bought the last years.....
This thing is an absolut state of the art studio tool....
I will not say that this unit sounds better than a real TC M5000 or a Lexicon 960L or 480, because I do not own one.
But: The sound is on par or better than any impulses sampled from these units (at least the hundrets I got)
I'm sure the real units do not sound too much better, so the V-Verb will be on par with them...
I have to say I am a reverb maniac, and I did compare more reverb plug-ins over the last years than making music.
This now will have an end.
I would recoomend this unit for everyone how needs a really high-higher quality reverb unit.
I even highly recommend this unit for post production which needs the very best quality to create realistic sound quality.
i'll post some demo sounds soon here, to make you believe.
And what should I say....
This thing is a absolute Lexicon/TC killer.
I don't know how these guys did it at Behringer but this BOX DOES DEFINITLY ROCK THE SHIT OUT OF MY SPEAKERS!
Its on par with every convolution reverb plug-in plus you can change the sound dramatically to what you need.
I did some comparison with Lexicon 960L,480L and TC M5000 impulses and the Behringer toy can sound like any of these impulses running through convolution plug-in.
Plus: I think it also too sounds better than the convolution plug-ins at the higher freqency range...more airy....
and it fits better into mixes, because it sounds more realistic and 3D than convolution, and doesnt get too much muddy in base department....
that may be due to the quality loss during sampling the impulses...
And the price is a joke....for 130€ you may get the two optical connectors for a Lexicon 960L. (or a used MPX100, which I once had-> this wonderful peace of fluttering shit)
And I wasn't too far away from buying the IK CSR-1 reverb.
Thankfully I didn't do that and saved some money.
Def. the best thing I bought the last years.....
This thing is an absolut state of the art studio tool....
I will not say that this unit sounds better than a real TC M5000 or a Lexicon 960L or 480, because I do not own one.
But: The sound is on par or better than any impulses sampled from these units (at least the hundrets I got)
I'm sure the real units do not sound too much better, so the V-Verb will be on par with them...
I have to say I am a reverb maniac, and I did compare more reverb plug-ins over the last years than making music.
This now will have an end.
I would recoomend this unit for everyone how needs a really high-higher quality reverb unit.
I even highly recommend this unit for post production which needs the very best quality to create realistic sound quality.
i'll post some demo sounds soon here, to make you believe.
Last edited by hifiboom on Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:29 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
not a joke!
read this:
http://www.musictechmag.co.uk/mtm/downl ... ro-rev2496
I really don't know why they just give 9 out of 10, because this unit for that price ist 15 out of 10.
Believe me.
should I post the sound examples as quiz? so you can ask yourself which is convolution and qhich one the V-Verb
read this:
http://www.musictechmag.co.uk/mtm/downl ... ro-rev2496
I really don't know why they just give 9 out of 10, because this unit for that price ist 15 out of 10.
Believe me.
should I post the sound examples as quiz? so you can ask yourself which is convolution and qhich one the V-Verb
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Left Headphone Left Headphone https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=19118
- KVRian
- 945 posts since 30 Mar, 2004
how are running? digital cables or analog?...
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35171 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
I sold a second hand Alesis Microverb II for about the same price a couple of years ago ... and that was awful.hifiboom wrote: And the price is a joke....for 130€ you may get the two optical connectors for a Lexicon 960L. (or a used MPX100, which I once had-> this wonderful peace of fluttering shit)
Behringer certainly do give you a lot for your money
Maybe you could make some IRs?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
I ve connected it over optical spdif....
it has optical spdif, AES Digital XLR and analog 6,5 and XLR
it has too full reverb processors, you can use
analog in to analog out -> full stereo reverb1
digital in to digital out -> full stereo reverb2
both at highest quality
so you get two unis...
okay first samples up.....
two vocals 100% wet, no dry signal
COMPARE1
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... nality.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... nality.wma
one is convolution, one the v-verb....
it has optical spdif, AES Digital XLR and analog 6,5 and XLR
it has too full reverb processors, you can use
analog in to analog out -> full stereo reverb1
digital in to digital out -> full stereo reverb2
both at highest quality
so you get two unis...
okay first samples up.....
two vocals 100% wet, no dry signal
COMPARE1
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... nality.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... nality.wma
one is convolution, one the v-verb....
Last edited by hifiboom on Sun Jul 02, 2006 12:33 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
some gladiator-like movie sounds that generate "attack atmosphere"
first is dry the two other are convolution and the Behringer
COMPARE2:
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... %20dry.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
first is dry the two other are convolution and the Behringer
COMPARE2:
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... %20dry.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
Last edited by hifiboom on Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
okay now the V-Verb-Carpet Preset and the Lexicon 960L Large Hall Preset compared
COMPARE3:
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
which is which ... you know?
COMPARE3:
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
which is which ... you know?
Last edited by hifiboom on Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35171 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
personality ...
i reckon the second one has a nicer tone ...
be good to hear some kik and snare hits
i reckon the second one has a nicer tone ...
be good to hear some kik and snare hits
Last edited by thecontrolcentre on Sun Jul 02, 2006 3:03 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
now MPX500, TC_M5000 Stage algo and V-Verb Stage algo
COMPARE4:
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
COMPARE4:
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
http://home.arcor.de/soundspace1/reverb ... annung.wma
Last edited by hifiboom on Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
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- KVRian
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- 1144 posts since 26 Sep, 2005 from Germany
you see I can do it....snooky wrote:ok, you really CAN'T compare static impulses to an algo reverb - apples and oranges...
stoopid thread.
(but I do like behringer gear)
As musician I want to have a well sounding reverb, and it doesn't matter if it comes out of a 10000buck-gold-box, a convolution plug-in, or a 5 square metre big metal wall...
and why should I not compare them. People are telling that convolution impulses sound as good as the real boxes.
There may be two conclusions:
Either convolution doesn't fully capture the quality of the real hardware units (TC, Lexicon),
or the the V-Verb can compete with these units and every convolution plug-in.
As I don't have 10000bucks for a 960L, the 130 for V-Verb are a very good investment.
PS: I was never too much happy with convolution plug-ins
Last edited by hifiboom on Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:31 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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- Banned
- 4026 posts since 27 Jan, 2004
*sigh* whatever, it's just not a valid comparison, and I won't argue any tech details cause you won't understand it (being dumb as you are, comparing impulses to an algo reverb) and from the presets I tried at the behringerpage, it's nothing to get exited about, my old tc m300 smokes the V-Verb "pro"