The linux DAW thread

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NystagmusE
KVRist
271 posts since 24 Feb, 2015

Post Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:40 pm

Thanks for the zyn links!
ZynAddSubFX is one of my favorites for pro sounds!

@audiojunkie... right on, man. right, on! I like your attitude. Me too (trying to keep the Linux thing alive and strong).
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glokraw
KVRAF
6674 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:53 am

What could be more fun than a U-he Bazille synth license,
with a few thousand new presets to experiment on,
using some favorite ampsim? The standalone Guitarix gui
is really easy to use, with what some might see as
oversized knobs, but I find them super easy to use,
and far less fiddly than counterparts on many
commercial ampsims.

Feeding Reaper's Bazille output to Guitarix,
along with an old rompler's tremolo guitar patch,
it's easy to make a wall of sound, with lots of controls
to keep the wall an interesting ongoing project.
There's plenty of gain options in Guitarix,
to keep one of Bazille's many sequences thumping
away, like a latch-mode with free distortions :hyper:
Cheers

(A hefty 25% discount on a U-he product of choice,
is yours when sign on to their new newsletter. )
The linux version's now have a download link right there
next to the windows and Mac links,
an interesting bump up from the somewhat hushed-beta status.
And new releases links are also posted at Abiques Reddit page:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UheOnLinux/

Might be a ringingearmodulation weekend ahead :wink:

djwayn
KVRer
1 posts since 29 Jun, 2018

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Fri Jun 29, 2018 7:06 am

What do you think about " Linux Multimedia Studio"?

glokraw
KVRAF
6674 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:35 am

Hi, I don't know the current status based on personal use,
but it has an internal version of zynaddsubfx, one of the
best synthesizers anywhere. There are many videos for
using lmms in a variety of ways:

https://lmms.io/documentation/Video_tut ... ynAddSubFX

Hydrogen drum samples can be utilized in lmms

https://youtu.be/POOZImQq7A0

You'll likely get details based on actual use,
in the recorders-sequencers area at

www.linuxmusicians.com

Cheers

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flakes2
KVRist
179 posts since 29 Nov, 2012 from My home is my castle

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:40 am

Do vst plugin work properly under a wine -emulation?

glokraw
KVRAF
6674 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:41 am

flakes2 wrote:Do vst plugin work properly under a wine -emulation?
Many do work fine if willing to use Reaper as
your main daw app. If some plugin does not work,
it is usually due to an inferior product registration scheme,
a proprietary ant-piracy system, like pace, ilok, macromedia,
some issue with multiple .net-frameworks, or m-softs visual distributable nik-nak

wine-staging from wineHQ will be the best route,
with highest success rate. It may require adding
their repository in your linux package manager.
Wine-staging is at V 3.11, but I have a setup with
wine 2.18 stable that works well, and even the elder
V 1.4 provides a ton of plugin compatibility.

Some nice plugins require one or more 'over-rides',
where you use an actual windows .dll, in place
of the wine version.
The winecfg configuration gui has the widgets
to manage that in the library tab. The wine .dlls are
at this path

/home/you/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32

Some distros have an app called 'winetricks',
that helps install important m-soft componants,
or very popular apps.

These days, vst-wrappers Lin-Vst and/or the older
Airwave, can create linux-native-vsts with a .so extension,
and these can often be used in linux daw apps like
Reaper, Bitwig, Mixbus/Ardour, Qtractor, Carla,
Renoise, Traction, Radium etc. The results of wrapping
are pretty amazing, most plugins that will run using
wine-reaper will also run in native linux-reaper.

These are some devs whose plugins almost always work:
U-he
discoDSP
Dimity Sches
KV331
IK Multimedia
some Individual plugins:
Fathom
Wiggle
Rhino
Wusikstation 5.x and 3rd party soundsets
DrumCore/KitCore 3.x
PianoteQ
_Almost_ all the quality freewares work,
including many fine commercial ones that are now free,
like Cobalt, Firebird, and collections from
Ugo, AlgoMusic, and the late H.G. Fortune

Native Instruments Service-Center registered plugins
will often work, as will Cakewalk's older
Rapture, Z3ta, and Dimension Pro, if you have your registration details.
I don't think they 'phone home', and nobody is there
to answer these days, anyway.

Even some Native Instruments plugins using
Native Access, can be registered, details
discovered mainly by osxmidi (LinVst-coder)
and Jack Winter, one of the pioneers in wine-vst
usage. I have Razor, Prism, and Reaktor Player
working and registered here, many thanks to them.

You might visit these links for details,
and technicalities:

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=193761

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=193760

U-he, discoDSP, and PianoteQ all have linux
versions avaiable, a huge trove of excellent
sounds and capabilities. This takes the edge
off of needing wine, for a lot of linux musicians.
U-he currently have a coupon offer, 25% off any plugin
or soundset when you join their relaunched newsletter.
discoDSP sometimes has a coupon or three in the marketplace forum, trading drive-thru calories
for synths/effects is a pretty wise investment!
Cheers
(there are some wine-over-ride details, earlier in this thread, might even be on google by now?)

glokraw
KVRAF
6674 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:03 am

Guitarix ampsim/effects suite has included a nice drum sequencer
for some time now, but its drums were being processed through the amp signal chain, but the latest release makes that optional,
so if you want cleaner or unprocessed beats, it will be
much easier.
Discussion of the sequencer started last August, at

https://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopi ... 48&t=17381

Cheers

audiojunkie
KVRAF
2722 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:53 pm

Very nice couple of posts @GloKraw!! I haven't messed with WINE at all, but that's the next area of Linux I'm interested in experimenting with. I look forward to expanding my instrument palette beyond what is available without WINE. :-)
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audiojunkie
KVRAF
2722 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Mon Jul 02, 2018 2:57 pm

The implications of the following just hit me:

These days, vst-wrappers Lin-Vst and/or the older
Airwave, can create linux-native-vsts with a .so extension,
and these can often be used in linux daw apps like
Reaper, Bitwig, Mixbus/Ardour, Qtractor, Carla,
Renoise, Traction, Radium etc. The results of wrapping
are pretty amazing, most plugins that will run using
wine-reaper will also run in native linux-reaper.


Are you saying that once "Wrapperized", they no longer need WINE?
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glokraw
KVRAF
6674 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:28 pm

The wrapping mainly makes a linux-native vst version
of the windows vst .dll file, having a .so extension,
so a linux version of bitwig, reaper,
mixbus and other linux daw apps, might be able to load them.
You need both the .dll and .so versions in the same location.
At that point, wine is mainly a garden troll, it need not be
invoked to start a windows daw app, typically reaper.

Install wine, preferably a recent 3.x version of
wine-staging, from wineHQ.
If you install all your vsts to the same folder, they will
be easier to keep track of, and rescan, if needed.
Most windows plugin installers have browse options
to choose a custom location. No big deal if an odd duck
gets bossy about it's destination folder.

linvst includes a linvstconverttree version, that will recursively find plugins all in one go, handy when a dev has chosen to nest
the actual .dll file. But don't try it on the Program Files folder :dog:
I like putting plugins in

.wine/drive_c/Users/Public/Documents,
and .vst

I have
linvst.so
linvstconvert
linvstconverttree
in both /home/me and /usr/bin

and in just /usr/bin,

lin-vst-server.exe
lin-vst-server.exe.so
lin-vst-server32.exe
lin-vst-server32.exe.so

You can start linvstconvert or linvstconverttree version in
a terminal, and the semi-self-explanatory gui opens
1. click the topmost button, labeled 'none', a browser opens,
browse to and select your linvst.so
2. click the next button down, should be labeled according to
your username. In this next browser, scroll down
to the bottom, and select 'other',
then browse to the vst .dll, or
folder of vsts, that you want to convert.
3. click the bottom button, 'Start'. The plugins are wrapped,
and faster than you can doubleclick :hihi:

Now add your vst folder to your daw app's plugin path,
and restart it, or do a clear-cache-rescan etc.
Easy money! Tone2 Firebird is a good one to test,
scroll down at

https://www.tone2.com/download.html

used to be commercial, free now, and has several
.fxb soundbanks, and a randomizer.
Cheers

https://github.com/osxmidi/LinVst

there are quite a few technicalities covered in the readme's
along with the apps.

some deb-ubuntu binaries are here, so no compiling
is needed:

https://github.com/osxmidi/LinVst/releases

audiojunkie
KVRAF
2722 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:09 am

So is Lin-Vst the best of all the WINE to VST apps? There are like, 5 or 6 different ones, and I don't know which is best and most supported.
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glokraw
KVRAF
6674 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:07 pm

Pretty sure LinVst is best, in terms of successfully wrapping
plugins, and still getting better, and is actively supported.
Airwave is also good, and uses a different
graphical approach, but it's easy enough to use,
and Luc at linuxmusicians.com
made a script for wrapping plugins recursively. I think Airwave
is more an example of a personal use project that was shared,
and works well enough that the dev doesn't need to do more.
I've used both of these with good results. Haven't tried
anything else.

Without exhaustive a/b comparison between Airwave and LinVst,
in the same environment, on the 7 or 8 best linux daws, my opinion
is just speculation based on unequal use and varied use environments.
The quality of the wine implementation,
and ones linux audio configuration may be the most crucial factors.

If you're a guitar player, try osxmidi's port of
the ScorchCrafter multi-multi stage ampsim,
In capable hands it can be used to change a hairstyle :hyper:

Cheers

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NystagmusE
KVRist
271 posts since 24 Feb, 2015

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Wed Jul 04, 2018 11:58 am

thanks for the info about LinVST.
I tried Carla but couldn't get it to work in a way that didn't break my workflow.

By the way, most Image-Line plug-ins work in Wine without problems.
I used to use Harmor and Toxic Biohazard (which I paid for) regularly via Wine.
(The only reason why I don't know is that I lost my account password and email address). *cry*
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glokraw
KVRAF
6674 posts since 6 Oct, 2004

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:34 pm

Do you have/can you get a creditcard statement of your purchase?
I'm sure that would help ImageLine get you reinstated.

I always screenshot the steps of online purchases,
along with copying emails and serials, the folder is
on all my drives, and I should put it on a cd-rw,
now that I think of it.

To be clear, are you saying you wrapped some vsts
with linvst, but then using them in Carla didn't fit
your workflow? I imagine FLS has little resemblance
to Carla, Reaper etc. Have you tried the linux version
of reaper from landoleet dot org?
Cheers

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NystagmusE
KVRist
271 posts since 24 Feb, 2015

Re: The linux DAW thread

Post Thu Jul 05, 2018 2:45 pm

@glockraw...

Thanks for your suggestion.

I haven't yet used LinVST.
As far as I know Carla is an alternative to LinVST.
I tried both the 32-bit and 64-bit Carla's on both 32-bit and 64-bit Linuxes.
I usually couldn't get it to see and load my VST's
When I finally got it to work I found out that it can't scan subfolders, which sucks for me because I've been using subfolders for my VST(i)'s for several years now and regularly use about 150 different plugins. I'm not about to reorganize just to please Carla.

I haven't yet tried the Linux version of Reaper, but I regularly use the 32-bit Windows one in Wine. I'm a little frustrated with it, but it mostly works. EnergyXT for Windows works too. MuLab for Windows works. FL Studio works. I sometimes use FL Studio VSTi inside of Reaper.
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