Tracking Apple Silicon Native Hosts, Plugins, Effects

[Ploki]

Apparently anything that requires iLok or uses Pace software can't be updated until Pace updates to Apple Silicon. Some background here:

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/produc ... compatible

Yikes

[teilo]

Apparently anything that requires iLok or uses Pace software can't be updated until Pace updates to Apple Silicon. Some background here:

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/produc ... compatible

True. But it should be noted that Pace itself runs fine under Rosetta 2 for x64 binaries.

[Double Tap]

Apparently anything that requires iLok or uses Pace software can't be updated until Pace updates to Apple Silicon. Some background here:

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/produc ... compatible

True. But it should be noted that Pace itself runs fine under Rosetta 2 for x64 binaries.

Yes of course, but this thread is about which developers have released native software, so if someone is wondering why their favourite plugin isn't here, that might be the reason. I'd be interested to know which developers use Pace, since from my very limited understanding, it's not just about iLok.

[teilo]

Apparently anything that requires iLok or uses Pace software can't be updated until Pace updates to Apple Silicon. Some background here:

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/produc ... compatible

True. But it should be noted that Pace itself runs fine under Rosetta 2 for x64 binaries.

Yes of course, but this thread is about which developers have released native software, so if someone is wondering why their favourite plugin isn't here, that might be the reason. I'd be interested to know which developers use Pace, since from my very limited understanding, it's not just about iLok.

There are other Pace copy protection products, particularly in the industrial and financial markets, but that's pretty much irrelevant for music production. I know of no music developers that use Pace outside the iLok ecosystem.

[Ploki]

Apparently anything that requires iLok or uses Pace software can't be updated until Pace updates to Apple Silicon. Some background here:

https://www.pro-tools-expert.com/produc ... compatible

True. But it should be noted that Pace itself runs fine under Rosetta 2 for x64 binaries.

Yes of course, but this thread is about which developers have released native software, so if someone is wondering why their favourite plugin isn't here, that might be the reason. I'd be interested to know which developers use Pace, since from my very limited understanding, it's not just about iLok.

There are other Pace copy protection products, particularly in the industrial and financial markets, but that's pretty much irrelevant for music production. I know of no music developers that use Pace outside the iLok ecosystem.

sonible

[bmanic]

Ouch! That is brutal!

[teilo]

There are other Pace copy protection products, particularly in the industrial and financial markets, but that's pretty much irrelevant for music production. I know of no music developers that use Pace outside the iLok ecosystem.

sonible

sonible uses iLok. Just as with many other developers, you can choose to use the dongle or not, but it's still iLok.

[Ploki]

There are other Pace copy protection products, particularly in the industrial and financial markets, but that's pretty much irrelevant for music production. I know of no music developers that use Pace outside the iLok ecosystem.

sonible

sonible uses iLok. Just as with many other developers, you can choose to use the dongle or not, but it's still iLok.

Not entropyEQ, and you still need to install pace support.

https://www.sonible.com/wp-content/uplo ... ropyEQ.pdf

I dont have it in my ilok manager, and it says in the manual it needs it installed. I remember when installing it

[teilo]

There are other Pace copy protection products, particularly in the industrial and financial markets, but that's pretty much irrelevant for music production. I know of no music developers that use Pace outside the iLok ecosystem.

sonible

sonible uses iLok. Just as with many other developers, you can choose to use the dongle or not, but it's still iLok.

Not entropyEQ, and you still need to install pace support.

https://www.sonible.com/wp-content/uplo ... ropyEQ.pdf

I dont have it in my ilok manager, and it says in the manual it needs it installed. I remember when installing it

That is not what the docs say at all (and I own a few Sonible plugins, by the way). The only Pace product Sonible directs you to install is iLok License Manager. You don't need an iLok account to use its activation support, so you will not see any Sonible product in iLok License Manager unless you transferred your Sonible license to iLok. But you still need the iLok Manager for activation to work.

https://help.sonible.com/hc/en-us/artic ... SB-dongle-

So as I said before: I know of no music production software that relies any Pace product outside the iLok ecosystem.

[Ploki]

true - i had remember as if you only need pace support files.
i remember Melodyne making callbacks to Pace related stuff even if you don't have license on iLok - but it also seems it's iLok related in one way or another.

[kelvyn]

So I guess the sensible thing to do is to run two systems - if possible - one for older projects and one for new projects using plugins that are available... or wait!

[Double Tap]

So I guess the sensible thing to do is to run two systems - if possible - one for older projects and one for new projects using plugins that are available... or wait!

No, there aren't many plugins which don't work at all on my M1 - this is about whether or not they have native architecture and will run faster.

There are a few plugins which don't work at all yet, like several of d16s instruments, because they need to be completely rewritten (they told me), but most plugins which work on Intel MacOs will work when translated through Rosetta.

[Ploki]

So I guess the sensible thing to do is to run two systems - if possible - one for older projects and one for new projects using plugins that are available... or wait!

Even via rosetta, m1 performs as good as a 6-core i7 (but cooler). Which you cant get in the form that M1 is currently offered in.

[teilo]

So I guess the sensible thing to do is to run two systems - if possible - one for older projects and one for new projects using plugins that are available... or wait!

No, there aren't many plugins which don't work at all on my M1 - this is about whether or not they have native architecture and will run faster.

There are a few plugins which don't work at all yet, like several of d16s instruments, because they need to be completely rewritten (they told me), but most plugins which work on Intel MacOs will work when translated through Rosetta.

I only use my M1 Mini for live streaming with Audio Hijack and OBS. I use the native version of Audio Hijack, Loopback, and FF Pro R and Pro C2 in that workflow. But I did load up a few projects in Logic on it just to test things out. Rosetta 2 really is seamless. It easily kept up with my 2019 16" Macbook Pro 8-core i9 for anything I threw at it. But my projects are not super complex.

I will be switching to the first 16" AS machine as soon as Apple releases it. (As the CIO of my company, I get the new toys, and others get my hand-me-downs).

[Ploki]

I only use my M1 Mini for live streaming with Audio Hijack and OBS. I use the native version of Audio Hijack, Loopback, and FF Pro R and Pro C2 in that workflow. But I did load up a few projects in Logic on it just to test things out. Rosetta 2 really is seamless. It easily kept up with my 2019 16" Macbook Pro 8-core i9 for anything I threw at it. But my projects are not super complex.

I will be switching to the first 16" AS machine as soon as Apple releases it. (As the CIO of my company, I get the new toys, and others get my hand-me-downs).

nice!
It handles more in practice than my i7 6-core mini - in fact i sold it because i had no reason to keep it at all. Even where memory is of concern (sample libraries), M1 with half less RAM simply handled more voices, via rosetta no less.