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jemsoo7 · Post by **jemsoo7** » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:42 pm

Manual Melody Creation Tools.

By having one phrase (say it motive or whatever!), and generating a musically correct "REPLY" based on Theories of Composition would be awesome!

I have been using this piece of software years back (now its free) . I don't know if this workflow is available or could be implemented in RC in the future!

http://www.palette-mct.com/download.html
What i like is that it goes one step further from the phrase, with the creation of motives - the building block of phrases (motive is defined on the site as: a group of notes around one up-beat / the smallest meaningful melody element).

[Well, phrases are then themselves building block of periods (antecedent/consequent) or its converse i.e phrase groups - this functionality is less important than motive developments in RC here. This is just a NAMING convention issue - no problem here!!]

motives->phrases->periods/phrase groups.

With one motive input/generated, a variation is created NEXT to the motive (usually one measure) based on the 24 variations available in the toolset for melody creation.

Among others the following variations exist:
Sequence up/down. New Rhythm. Repeat. Extraction. Turn over. Slightly vary Rhythm/Pitch. Arpeggio. Inversion. Ascending/Descending line. Ascending/Descending Wave. Caesura. [see attachment for details of them all]

My question. Can these variations be added in RC (A special menu just for MANUAL melody creation would be awesome) Or do they exist already (maybe by combining a few existing variations - i don't know?

The ULTIMATE palette for 'manual melody creation' would be to include the techniques proposed by Jonathan E. Peters in his 2 books: "Music Composition Vol1&2. e.g a button to generated a "replied" phrase that add "Tension/Retrograde/Mirror&Transposed Inversion etc, effect to it.

Here is the full manual with musical theories behind melody creation
http://www.palette-mct.com/manual_eng/t ... tents.html

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:28 pm

I am happy you wrote about this topic. I was already thinking about a more advanced, and more interactive melody generator. While several variations are available for motive development, their usage is neither fast nor straightforward. So, a new interactive motive editor is among my short term plans. I added your input and screenshots to my to-do list item.
Thanks for your thoughts!

Attila

jemsoo7 · Post by **jemsoo7** » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:40 am

Take your time! This was a suggestion for future use! You are already great responding so swift! i am a software developer too, i know how touch it is when you find all request as important and urgent (at least from the point of view of users)!!!

silenthill2006 · Post by **silenthill2006** » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:02 pm

musicdevelopments wrote: ↑Mon Oct 01, 2018 1:28 pm I am happy you wrote about this topic. I was already thinking about a more advanced, and more interactive melody generator. While several variations are available for motive development, their usage is neither fast nor straightforward. So, a new interactive motive editor is among my short term plans. I added your input and screenshots to my to-do list item.
Thanks for your thoughts!
Attila

This makes me very happy. I already heavily use your software, but this feature would be incredible and would make composition even more faster. The only other thing I would love is a call and response option for the melody generator.

krazydude2 · Post by **krazydude2** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:56 am

I would love this feature as well. It would be great.. Thanks

forrestlong · Post by **forrestlong** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:49 am

RC has many strengths ... I use it primary to build out harmonies for imported melodies. Melody generation is an area in RC where I could never get satisfying results. I have been amazed over the years by what masters of this tool like yellukhan have accomplished, so melody is less a limitation of RC and more of a (rather steep) learning curve … at least for me. Anything to make melody generation more intuitive is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Forrest

P.S. More tutorials would be nice as well

Mykyndryd_ · Post by **Mykyndryd_** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:46 am

+1 to all of the above and it would be great if there was a way of harmonising 1 or more melody tracks with counterpoint rules or following voices (a big ask given the priorities of other features) but it would be a very practical feature.

Cheers.
Mike.

bagelfish · Post by **bagelfish** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:38 am

I would love a more interactive melody generator as well.

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:06 am

Thank you! I already started to design the UI of this new melody generator. I'll definitely need your feedback. It will be fully interactive, you'll have full control over everything.
Before this I need finish implementing "MIDI CC assignment for phrases/notes" and VST3/AU support.

forrestlong · Post by **forrestlong** » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:04 am

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:33 pm

To update this old topic, the new interactive motive editor and melody generator is available in the latest beta version!

Feedback is welcome.

BluGenes · Post by **BluGenes** » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:55 pm

and a related posted

viewtopic.php?p=7698399#p7698399

musicdevelopments · Post by **musicdevelopments** » Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:21 pm

Hi BluGenes,
Nice job, and so fast!!!

Thanks!

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Motive Editor - Advanced Melody Composing Tools (Theoretically Correct Music Replies)