Waveform 9 review...

[Robert Randolph]

I have to admit (and I think a search of my posts on here would back it up) that I can get rather defensive when I feel criticism of the DAW or TSC has been less than fair, and I did pick up a bit of a negative tone ("The mixer sucks!"), though I probably concentrated most on "The Bad" section.

Well, people like you are the folks that I'd like to engage, here on the forum at least.

We may not agree on various subjective things, but I like to make sure that the technical aspects are correct.

Please feel free to be defensive if you desire. I can handle it, and it really helps me provide better content by being forced to consider other ideas and opinions that I may not otherwise be exposed to.

[gesslr]

Here’s the thread....

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=498790&p=6993802#p6993802

So I investigated this more. It appears that this method does not add a modifier inside of the rack. The modifier lives on the track and is assigned to a parameter inside of the rack.

If the track disappears then the modifier disappears, meaning that it's not part of the rack but instead part of the track.

Here's an animated gif of me doing the process so you can see if I'm doing something incorrect:



I believe that my original statement is correct at this point. I will attempt to clarify it though.

Ah. I see what you mean. I thought you were saying that there was no way to apply modulators to objects within racks. Ok. Fair point I suppose.

One work around would be to save that setup, modulator, rack, etc as a track preset of course.

Perhaps the method I referenced and this info can be added?

[gesslr]

I have to admit (and I think a search of my posts on here would back it up) that I can get rather defensive when I feel criticism of the DAW or TSC has been less than fair, and I did pick up a bit of a negative tone ("The mixer sucks!"), though I probably concentrated most on "The Bad" section.

Well, people like you are the folks that I'd like to engage, here on the forum at least.

We may not agree on various subjective things, but I like to make sure that the technical aspects are correct.

Please feel free to be defensive if you desire. I can handle it, and it really helps me provide better content by being forced to consider other ideas and opinions that I may not otherwise be exposed to.

Yeh, when I saw that “mixer sucks” thing I was like “hey, wait a minute!” I don’t think “the mixer sucks”, but there are some valid points in the observations...

[HansP]

(delete - sorry wrong thread)

[urlwolf]

This is very interesting:
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2018/ ... -more.html

What time format does Traktion use?

[gesslr]

This is very interesting:
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2018/ ... -more.html

What time format does Traktion use?

I take it you mean the part of the discussion that begins with...

Question - When going through the code, I noticed something called ‘Super Clock’. What’s that? It sounds… super.

That is indeed very interesting...in a theoretical sense for me anyway as I am not a developer.

A fascinating website and set of articles in general...

[Robert Randolph]

This is very interesting:
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2018/ ... -more.html

What time format does Traktion use?

I have a feeling that tracktion uses an integer based sample representation, or did so for a while.

One of the major side effects of this type of internal architecture is dropped notes and the beginning of clips not playing correctly, but only at certain tempos. You may recall that Tracktion had both of these issues for a very long time. So that's why I am making that guess.

[urlwolf]

Which daw does this correctly?

[tengotiempo]

I started a thread some months ago , because of the missing ableton link..i think its really time to integrate that, as waveform still is a creative tool in my eyes..as well i thought of an iOS-integration like studiomux does, just better integrated into waveform. i think tracktion should take the iOS-Wave now..its the point where ipads and iphones are strong enough to produce good audio-stuff,to jam and "play" ..as well they are useful as dsp-racks. To record the output via soundcard and send midi to iOS is just a pain in the a... (all these cables and settings and not to forget the DA-AD-Conversion and Latency caused by that) just plug the iOS device into usb and there you go..thats the "work" äh "play-flow"

and even better would be .. As you plug the ipad or iPhone into USB , Waveform itself creates a new iOS track, blinking in pink..and sometimes changes its color to silver or gold ..no sorry..i mean it serious..ios integration would be the next-step at the moment, which would make wavefom different from others.

[urlwolf]

Which daw does this correctly?

Admiral Bumblebee, you seen to have done a lot of research into daw internal architecture. What daw has a solid one? I say this because I need to pick one daw, and this could be a determinant factor. On gearslutz people keep saying that might thinking on daws is horribly bad. And hardware sequencers are better. They may be right after all?

[chico.co.uk]

"On the right hand you have a list of all of your ‘filters’, which is what Waveform calls plugins."

They're not called filters any more, haven't been for some time. Racks are now called "Plugin Racks", instead of "Rack filters". Chapter 29 of the manual says this;

"Note: Back in the day, Tracktion used to called effects and synth plugins ‘filters.’ Over the past several releases we moved away from this nomenclature and have adopted the industry standard term: ‘plugin.’ You might still run into the old terminology in the older tutorials or in conversation with long term Tracktioneers!"

[chico.co.uk]

"There is a ‘stack editor’ mode. I find this to be mostly useless... If you want to use any of the cool features then you must be in the ‘Rack Editor’ mode."

A good use of the stack editor if you create custom faceplates, for your plugins. With your most used parameters. You can effectively customise your plugins, so they look like an actual "rack" of hardware effects, with knobs and sliders, that you can tweak from that view. You've not tried that, so can't find a use for it. That's not to say there isn't a use for it. This is a cool new feature that you can't actually use in "rack editor" mode.

https://youtu.be/BGFk738APB0?t=107

[Robert Randolph]

"On the right hand you have a list of all of your ‘filters’, which is what Waveform calls plugins."

They're not called filters any more, haven't been for some time. Racks are now called "Plugin Racks", instead of "Rack filters". Chapter 29 of the manual says this;

"Note: Back in the day, Tracktion used to called effects and synth plugins ‘filters.’ Over the past several releases we moved away from this nomenclature and have adopted the industry standard term: ‘plugin.’

Yeah....

You might still run into the old terminology in the older tutorials or in conversation with long term Tracktioneers!

^^ That's why.

I'll fix that.

"There is a ‘stack editor’ mode. I find this to be mostly useless... If you want to use any of the cool features then you must be in the ‘Rack Editor’ mode."

A good use of the stack editor if you create custom faceplates, for your plugins. With your most used parameters. You can effectively customise your plugins, so they look like an actual "rack" of hardware effects, with knobs and sliders, that you can tweak from that view. You've not tried that, so can't find a use for it. That's not to say there isn't a use for it. This is a cool new feature that you can't actually use in "rack editor" mode.

https://youtu.be/BGFk738APB0?t=107

Thanks. I updated that section with a link to your post.

I'll elaborate on this more when I get to faceplates.

[Robert Randolph]

http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2018/ ... art-2.html

Part 2 is up... Dig in to me.

New parts of the review should be up with more frequency now, every 3-4 days.

[Robert Randolph]

Which daw does this correctly?

Admiral Bumblebee, you seen to have done a lot of research into daw internal architecture. What daw has a solid one? I say this because I need to pick one daw, and this could be a determinant factor. On gearslutz people keep saying that might thinking on daws is horribly bad. And hardware sequencers are better. They may be right after all?

That's really hard to say. I've encountered bugs in every DAW that I've ever used with regards to 'time bugs'. I haven't seen anything major in Waveform 9 yet.

It's a very difficult problem to tackle. Currently in my experience, Reason has the fewest of these class of bugs, but it also has less functionality that may trigger these issues.

Another issue comes in with automation and how automation data is communicated to clients of the data, and that's a totally new can of worms (and very difficult to "fix" due to how certain formats work!). Currently as far as I'm aware, only Logic and Pro Tools handle this "correctly" but Logic has some really weird automation problems.

Every DAW sucks... but some suck less for some people.