BITWIG STUDIO 3

[jarnold]

I think Superbooth is a pretty decent bet as xbitz said earlier.. But I'll be happy if it arrives earlier

[kurt008]

2.51 will be released tomorrow.

(prediction )

Nice dream. And then... you wake up.

[kurt008]

Site is back up, no 3 though...

Did you seriously hope such... silly things?

[kurt008]

Yeh, not even 2.51 release! I cant see any changes at all, but let’s hope they were testing the new pages for 3, maybe they learnt from when they had 2.5 advertised on the site briefly for a test before release and it was screen captured and analysed al over this forum

The question will be: Do they learn or will we have to learn something...? When I bought BWS' license (2.0), I also was a big fan of that what I saw. But... I can remember a program called LMMS. I had and still have several fans, some of them even freaks, I guess. This program has a very, very boring history. Why? Many dreams, nearly no developers and one big difference to BWS: The developers listened permanently to some users (right, only some). As long as these "some users" were 'happy', nothing happened (no matter, what errors were filed.
To shorten it a little: Both programs share something: Promises... and something more: No real plan, when to realize a plan. And a third thing: Both development teams seem to ignore, that some features have to be included into a DAW (no, workarounds are NO solutions, they're only a makeshift, made NOT by the program developer, but by users which I would name freakish fans (sorry, guys).
I expect a developer to realize such solutions. When I bought the license, I expected to see some missing features in a foreseeable future. Right, there's no guarantee for such things to come and right, when I really want to use something like that, I either have to use another DAW as well or completely change the the DAW - I know that quite good
Unluckily there's hardly a developer-user-interaction (it's the other extreme like described for LMMS, and in my eyes as bad as made for LMMS). To make it clear: I miss a timeline, a visible way how things will develop. Needn't be precise like a swiss watch, but at least a rough frame of features and the time plan. But nothing is simply too little in my eyes.
I'm really curious how things will look like in the 3 rd quarter 2019... and I can easily imagine there will still be no BWS 3.0, nor Beta and for sure no release.

[SLiC]

I'm not seeing a timeline or future features promised for Cubase, Live, Studio One etc...just doesn't happen and never will.

2 DAWS is currently the only real solution for anyone wanting to do full linier recording and audio editing of bands/orchestras etc...Bitwig, Live, Mu and others for 'electronics/loop/experimental etc. Thats just the way it is and I dont believe any DAW will do both as well as two separate specialist DAWS.

Bitwig 2.5 is still by far the best tool for sequencing CV, messing with clips, making modulation mayhem and using on my MS Surface - I wouldn't use it when I am recording singer/guitarists etc, Studio One (with Melodyne 4) is my preferred tool for that and BWS will never have all of the features of S1 (and Visa versa) so I am happy to use 2 DAWS, between them I have every feature I need. If I could only have one it would probably be Studio One as I mainly record guitar based music, but BWS is just so much fun!

[x.iso]

But... I can remember a program called LMMS. I had and still have several fans, some of them even freaks, I guess.
...
Unluckily there's hardly a developer-user-interaction (it's the other extreme like described for LMMS, and in my eyes as bad as made for LMMS). To make it clear: I miss a timeline, a visible way how things will develop. Needn't be precise like a swiss watch, but at least a rough frame of features and the time plan. But nothing is simply too little in my eyes.

Isn't LMMS free and opensource? I'm guessing that makes it a 'fix it/do it yourself' approach. Anyway it's a strange comparison.

As for timeline, do you have examples from other DAW's having that? It would be great to have, but I've seen nothing like that beside big update announcement with estimated date of beta testing. Just like with BWS 3.0

[Benutzername]

I'm not seeing a timeline or future features promised for Cubase, Live, Studio One etc...just doesn't happen and never will.

Of course not but with these DAWs you are paying for the updates as they are at the point of release. People know exactly what they get for their money. Everything that comes later in minor updates is a bonus.

Bitwig expects that the user pays for 12 months of updates in advance without knowing what the updates will contain. Customers have to trust the developers that the content will be worth the money. I think that a rough roadmap of some sort would increase this trust by a margin, especially for new users.

[Hanz Meyzer]

C'mon guys. We actually can be thankful we have these ingenious people developing such a complex, well-designed, very stable software for us, for such a pretty small market niche (compared to mainstream software). Surely because they love what they do and have a vision, not because they want to get super rich. But of course they need to get money on a regular calculable base, so they came up with this pretty fair subscription model. I won't even suggest to give all users two months of subscription for free (I actually now did ), since I would be afraid they would be demotivated by that.

[SLiC]

I'm not seeing a timeline or future features promised for Cubase, Live, Studio One etc...just doesn't happen and never will.

Of course not but with these DAWs you are paying for the updates as they are at the point of release. People know exactly what they get for their money. Everything that comes later in minor updates is a bonus.

Bitwig expects that the user pays for 12 months of updates in advance without knowing what the updates will contain. Customers have to trust the developers that the content will be worth the money. I think that a rough roadmap of some sort would increase this trust by a margin, especially for new users.

I could not disagree more.

You buy the upgrade when you want and to get what is already included 'at that time', not what 'may' come in the next 12 months- - the year free updates is just a bonus like the minor upgrades you get with other DAWS.

You are not buying ' a 12 months subscription' you are buying an 'upgrade' at a time that suits you (when there is sufficient value in what's been added over time) If you upgrade to get what is already included you will always be a happy and everything else is a free bonus.

[Spencer Maddox]

I don't mean to be that guy, but the amount of Mental Gymnastics people pull off to justify the 169$ is astonishing to me at this point.

[pdxindy]

To shorten it a little: Both programs share something: Promises... and something more: No real plan, when to realize a plan. And a third thing: Both development teams seem to ignore, that some features have to be included into a DAW

Of course there's a plan... Bitwig could not have become what it is today without a plan. Just because you or I don't know the plan doesn't say anything about the nature of their plan.

And what features have to be included? Some people say that comping is a must have feature... yet Live has one of the biggest userbases of any DAW and it doesn't have comping. Some users have been asking for it for the past decade.

If you buy software with the idea that it is going to add X features 'soon' they you are just setting yourself up for frustration.

[JHernandez]

I certainly mean to be that guy, the amount of mental gymnastics I pull off to not spend a few cents a day, less than a cup of coffee, is astonishing even to me at this point.

Fixed.

[andypryce]

I am hoping they are adding more than just the grid to V3 hence the delay. Especially workflow improvements and basic missing DAW stuff. Of course I do not expect Cubase, Studio One level stuff but currently it is a bit weak.
Besides the beta there were supposed to be more videos of 3 after Namm but yet none whatsoever. So they either bumped into some serious bugs or polishing it a bit more. We'll wait and see.

[pdxindy]

I am hoping they are adding more than just the grid to V3 hence the delay. Especially workflow improvements and basic missing DAW stuff. Of course I do not expect Cubase, Studio One level stuff but currently it is a bit weak.
Besides the beta there were supposed to be more videos of 3 after Namm but yet none whatsoever. So they either bumped into some serious bugs or polishing it a bit more. We'll wait and see.

I'd prefer that the extra time is spent on developing the Grid further... more Osc types, maybe a Midi Grid device etc.

[SLiC]

Conclusive proof they cant please everyone

If I was only using Bitwig then I would also want comping, better midi and audio editing, ARA2 etc...but as I use another DAW that has that covered, I also want the Bitwig team to spend their time developing the grid, CV applications, better touch integration and crazy stuff as that....the stuff other DAWS don't do!

We all want different things from 3, but I suspect the 'core' user base is more experimental/modular/electronics style production rather than people recording and mixing live instruments.