Bitwig

Tearing Riots · Post by **Tearing Riots** » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:53 pm

This is an old paradigm of ableton live, i dont mind it.
And it´s not really destructive, after recording/overwriting you can copy the clips you wanted to record, press undo and then paste them back in.

I usually record into the clip launcher as well.

mljakobsen · Post by **mljakobsen** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:40 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:Call this my personal most hated feature.
IMO it's totally retarded, but I was not able to convince the devs that I NEVER EVER want something recorded when record isn't enabled for a track, especially since it is destructive and overwrites what's already there.
I had heated discussions about it but they didn't even understand why I think it's so absolutely abysmally bad and useless.
Maybe you have more luck writing to support...
I gave up at one point.

Cheers,

Tom

I totally agree. I Thought it was a bug until I found out it was a really bad feature.
As a minimum we need the option to deactivate this behavior for selected tracks

stamp · Post by **stamp** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:05 pm

Tearing Riots wrote:This is an old paradigm of ableton live, i dont mind it.

It's really annoying in Ableton, too.
Please Bitwig be different.

Please write to support if you want this improved!

stamp · Post by **stamp** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:13 pm

stamp wrote:Imo a simple 'exclusive record' button in arrangement could solve this. When enabled only armed tracks are recorded when disabled all tracks are recorded.

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:21 am

You should never record onto a track that's not armed. Period. I don't know why it would even be considered.

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:48 am

jonljacobi wrote:You should never record onto a track that's not armed. Period. I don't know why it would even be considered.

+1

Yup!

spinlud · Post by **spinlud** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 9:15 am

ThomasHelzle wrote:Call this my personal most hated feature.
IMO it's totally retarded, but I was not able to convince the devs that I NEVER EVER want something recorded when record isn't enabled for a track, especially since it is destructive and overwrites what's already there.
I had heated discussions about it but they didn't even understand why I think it's so absolutely abysmally bad and useless.
Maybe you have more luck writing to support...
I gave up at one point.

Cheers,

Tom

+ infinite. It s a totally non sense behavior. I also sent my concerns to devs about this many months ago but they didn't see that as an issue

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:21 am

Yeah, although Bitwig is very independent from how Live works in most areas, this one is stuck in old Live-thinking, although Bitwig is much more flexible regarding the clip-launcher/arranger relationship in all areas but this.
I still hope that one day the devs will see the light.

Cheers,

Tom

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:54 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:Yeah, although Bitwig is very independent from how Live works in most areas, this one is stuck in old Live-thinking, although Bitwig is much more flexible regarding the clip-launcher/arranger relationship in all areas but this.
I still hope that one day the devs will see the light.

Cheers,

Tom

Some stuff they just copied without any additional thought... same with follow actions. For years Live has been waiting for some creative thought in that area, and Bitwig just copied Live's annoying limitations over.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:42 pm

pdxindy wrote:Some stuff they just copied without any additional thought... same with follow actions. For years Live has been waiting for some creative thought in that area, and Bitwig just copied Live's annoying limitations over.

Yeah, but there it's a mixed bag. You at least have the "Back to arranger" action which Live hasn't and there are also the post recording actions that allow for a kind of takes.
On the other hand you can't have groups AFAIK in BWS, where in Live several clips would be seen as separate group if there is a gap between them. Last time I tried BWS ignored those and you needed to create the groups on different tracks.
But yeah, still several areas that could use some love, thought and emancipation from the "big ol brother".

I just find this one especially stupid...

Cheers,

Tom

mljakobsen · Post by **mljakobsen** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:28 pm

I don't understand why it isn't possible to have next action for scenes. It would be really usefull

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:52 pm

mljakobsen, I just checked because I thought it was. Clicked on Scene 1, but in the inspector there is only a place to edit the scene name, nothing else.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:00 pm

ATM scenes are no real "entities" in BWS. It got a bit better in the API in 2.0, but overall scenes are only defined by the clips they contain, not as real "units". But yeah, that could be nice...

Cheers,

Tom

sagetone · Post by **sagetone** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:38 pm

Just happened again...

Recording new tracks in the arranger, while monitoring clips in the launcher, and all arranger tracks that were NOT armed for recording were erased! WTF?? I'm writing to Bitwig now.

owensands · Post by **owensands** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:49 pm

Nvm didn't understand issue

Bitwig

KVR Audio

Why are clips recording into arranger tracks?