What about MSEG modulator in Bitwig ?

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KVRian
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Post Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:12 am

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KVRian
909 posts since 7 Nov, 2017

Post Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:42 am

We absolutely need a first-class MSEG modulator (with a capable set of drawing features) as a native Bitwig device. I hope to the gods that everyone is making that feature request of the Bitwig devs, because it's a huge QOL feature that is conspicuously absent right now.

KVRist
287 posts since 18 Oct, 2015 from Germany

Post Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:55 am

Yokai wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:42 am
We absolutely need a first-class MSEG modulator (with a capable set of drawing features) as a native Bitwig device. I hope to the gods that everyone is making that feature request of the Bitwig devs, because it's a huge QOL feature that is conspicuously absent right now.
totally agree

wrote to support about this several times
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KVRian
522 posts since 24 Feb, 2008

Post Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:50 pm

+1. This would be very useful.

KVRist
124 posts since 1 Feb, 2014

Post Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:55 am

I would absolutely love this to be included!

KVRian
529 posts since 8 Apr, 2018

Post Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:06 am

+1000

KVRist
339 posts since 8 May, 2008

Post Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:16 pm

...and the years went by and a megaf*ckton of new modulators for creating glitchy experimental randomness was added, and yet still no MSEG modulator.

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KVRAF
7964 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:46 am

Scoox wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:16 pm
...and the years went by and a megaf*ckton of new modulators for creating glitchy experimental randomness was added, and yet still no MSEG modulator.
I DO want Bitwig to finally add the MSEG, but what is it exactly that you can't do without it? Between 4-Stage, Steps and clip modulation I can't say I miss it that much, although admittedly I'm not as technically focused on my music like many people seem to.
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KVRist
339 posts since 8 May, 2008

Post Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:08 am

antic604 wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:46 am
Scoox wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:16 pm
...and the years went by and a megaf*ckton of new modulators for creating glitchy experimental randomness was added, and yet still no MSEG modulator.
I DO want Bitwig to finally add the MSEG, but what is it exactly that you can't do without it? Between 4-Stage, Steps and clip modulation I can't say I miss it that much, although admittedly I'm not as technically focused on my music like many people seem to.
I would use it mainly for rhythmic parameter automation (basically like LFOtool). There are probably other ways to do this in Bitwig but an MESG is the most straightforward and intuitive. I've not yet switched to Bitwig (currently using FL precisely because of it's automation features) so I'm probably missing loads of tricks. From what I've read an MSEG modulator is a popular FR so I suspect it can do stuff that ATM can't be done or, at least, can't be done easily/conveniently.

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KVRAF
18486 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:44 am

Scoox wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:08 am

I would use it mainly for rhythmic parameter automation (basically like LFOtool). There are probably other ways to do this in Bitwig but an MESG is the most straightforward and intuitive. I've not yet switched to Bitwig (currently using FL precisely because of it's automation features) so I'm probably missing loads of tricks. From what I've read an MSEG modulator is a popular FR so I suspect it can do stuff that ATM can't be done or, at least, can't be done easily/conveniently.
Yeah... an MSEG is a popular request. It’s a straightforward tool that makes sense to lots of people.

Once I started getting into modular wiring, I found I liked combining simpler modules to create complex modulation. It is morphable and itself modulatable in ways an MSEG isn’t. MSEG’s are kinda static and tedious to edit all the individual points.

I’m glad if Bitwig adds an MSEG for those who want it and work that way... and I will use it here and there, but for me there are more interesting ways to get to where I want to go.

KVRist
339 posts since 8 May, 2008

Post Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:01 am

pdxindy wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:44 am
Scoox wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:08 am

I would use it mainly for rhythmic parameter automation (basically like LFOtool). There are probably other ways to do this in Bitwig but an MESG is the most straightforward and intuitive. I've not yet switched to Bitwig (currently using FL precisely because of it's automation features) so I'm probably missing loads of tricks. From what I've read an MSEG modulator is a popular FR so I suspect it can do stuff that ATM can't be done or, at least, can't be done easily/conveniently.
Yeah... an MSEG is a popular request. It’s a straightforward tool that makes sense to lots of people.

Once I started getting into modular wiring, I found I liked combining simpler modules to create complex modulation. It is morphable and itself modulatable in ways an MSEG isn’t. MSEG’s are kinda static and tedious to edit all the individual points.

I’m glad if Bitwig adds an MSEG for those who want it and work that way... and I will use it here and there, but for me there are more interesting ways to get to where I want to go.
Most MESG plugins provide ways to modulate the envelops so it's not completely static. With LFOtool you can automate individual envelope points and even the segment tension.

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KVRAF
18486 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:09 am

Scoox wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:01 am

Most MESG plugins provide ways to modulate the envelops so it's not completely static. With LFOtool you can automate individual envelope points and even the segment tension.
Yeah... but doing so is very tedious. It’s no fun at all. That’s why I prefer different approaches. Anyway, to each their own. :tu:

KVRAF
3297 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:37 am

Scoox wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:01 am
pdxindy wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:44 am
Scoox wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:08 am

I would use it mainly for rhythmic parameter automation (basically like LFOtool). There are probably other ways to do this in Bitwig but an MESG is the most straightforward and intuitive. I've not yet switched to Bitwig (currently using FL precisely because of it's automation features) so I'm probably missing loads of tricks. From what I've read an MSEG modulator is a popular FR so I suspect it can do stuff that ATM can't be done or, at least, can't be done easily/conveniently.
Yeah... an MSEG is a popular request. It’s a straightforward tool that makes sense to lots of people.

Once I started getting into modular wiring, I found I liked combining simpler modules to create complex modulation. It is morphable and itself modulatable in ways an MSEG isn’t. MSEG’s are kinda static and tedious to edit all the individual points.

I’m glad if Bitwig adds an MSEG for those who want it and work that way... and I will use it here and there, but for me there are more interesting ways to get to where I want to go.
Most MESG plugins provide ways to modulate the envelops so it's not completely static. With LFOtool you can automate individual envelope points and even the segment tension.
Very similar to when the Eq in BWS it’s modulated, not that tedious.
Actually it has an enormous level of secondary effects that can go quite deep.

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BWS is the king of modulations for a DAW and they have produced an array of clever modulators.
I can’t come up with a reason or a line of thought why such a well used tool in so many synths and effects devices it has being delayed in a modulation “par excellence” DAW.
Not a criticism but a curiosity.
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KVRAF
18486 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:49 am

liquidsound wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:37 am
I can’t come up with a reason or a line of thought why such a well used tool in so many synths and effects devices it has being delayed in a modulation “par excellence” DAW.
Not a criticism but a curiosity.
My guess is that an MSEG would require something outside of the parameters of current modulators... maybe a bigger draw space or something like that

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KVRAF
5429 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:57 am

antic604 wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:46 am
Scoox wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:16 pm
...and the years went by and a megaf*ckton of new modulators for creating glitchy experimental randomness was added, and yet still no MSEG modulator.
I DO want Bitwig to finally add the MSEG, but what is it exactly that you can't do without it? Between 4-Stage, Steps and clip modulation I can't say I miss it that much, although admittedly I'm not as technically focused on my music like many people seem to.
I miss it deeply, an easy thing like having an attack part independent of the rest of an envelope is simply impossible to achieve. This is crucial for MPE controllers. You want the velocity only act on the first part of an envelope (level of the first segment is not adjustable with an ADSR! ADSRs suck big time, no synth should be restricted to that in 2020, Yamaha did it right in 1984!...)
I would be fine if an MSEG had just 4 complete segments like a DX7 had... This should be embarrassing for the devs to have no MSEG. Its easy to implement as well...

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