What about MSEG modulator in Bitwig ?

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KVRAF
3297 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Tue Sep 29, 2020 10:54 am

pdxindy wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:49 am
liquidsound wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 8:37 am
I can’t come up with a reason or a line of thought why such a well used tool in so many synths and effects devices it has being delayed in a modulation “par excellence” DAW.
Not a criticism but a curiosity.
My guess is that an MSEG would require something outside of the parameters of current modulators... maybe a bigger draw space or something like that
You think internal clocks?
Space... Diversion comes to mind with little space for that.
But BWS could opt for full window when in edit mode at least, or in the grid to begin with.

I’m positive it will be done but maybe in a BWS’s way.... (better or worse in that case).
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KVRist
96 posts since 21 Sep, 2015

Post Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:40 pm

I think the Dev's could have possibly decided MSEG's are unnecessary because of automation and other modulators. They also could have something so good already that they are sitting on it until the right moment. I say these things only because (as someone has already mentioned) it barely makes sense for THEE modulation DAW to be missing this. Especially when there is already so much overlap with some of the modulators. If it was my DAW I would have lead with the MSEG and made it versatile enough to eliminate the need for a lot of the existing modulators. They seem to like to have high number counts on modules.

KVRist
96 posts since 21 Sep, 2015

Post Tue Sep 29, 2020 12:58 pm

One alternate idea that I think could be cool is a device that can chain multiple modulators together and trigger them in predictable predetermined ways. Parseq-8 isn't quite it. What I have in mind is more like a container for individual modulators that can be assigned to a target just like a normal modulator. Then it could run straight through like a sequencer at timed rates and even have similar behavior to the clip launcher with actions like "play next" etc. Each modulator slot could have its own rate. But then again, an MSEG would be way simpler...

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KVRian
909 posts since 10 Sep, 2014

Post Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:24 pm

I really want an mseg modulator. Would become one of my most used modulator with lfo and random.

KVRAF
3297 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:13 pm

stamp wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:24 pm
I really want an mseg modulator. Would become one of my most used modulator with lfo and random.
A possible reason why it was no implemented way back...
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KVRian
909 posts since 10 Sep, 2014

Post Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:41 pm

liquidsound wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:13 pm
stamp wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:24 pm
I really want an mseg modulator. Would become one of my most used modulator with lfo and random.
A possible reason why it was no implemented way back...
:roll:

KVRAF
3297 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Wed Sep 30, 2020 7:15 pm

stamp wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:41 pm
liquidsound wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:13 pm
stamp wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:24 pm
I really want an mseg modulator. Would become one of my most used modulator with lfo and random.
A possible reason why it was no implemented way back...
:roll:
Never be surprised...
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KVRist
98 posts since 8 Apr, 2019

Post Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:19 am

They claim automation is sample-accurate within VST3 plugins.
So i assume they suppose people will use looped automation in relative mode as a MSEG?

Quote:
...as part of the VST3 standard, we proudly support per-note expressions and sample-accurate automation.
From https://www.bitwig.com/learnings/plug-i ... studio-20/

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KVRAF
7962 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:33 am

middle_color wrote:
Thu Oct 01, 2020 3:19 am
They claim automation is sample-accurate within VST3 plugins.
So i assume they suppose people will use looped automation in relative mode as a MSEG?

Quote:
...as part of the VST3 standard, we proudly support per-note expressions and sample-accurate automation.
From https://www.bitwig.com/learnings/plug-i ... studio-20/
You're reading way too much into it :D
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KVRAF
3150 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Mon Oct 05, 2020 2:25 pm

just found it ... so the one in IL Minihost Modular seems usable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3DWWd44ZNw
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KVRist
414 posts since 11 Dec, 2002 from Los Angeles

Post Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:52 am

+1 for an mseg. They could really Bitwig it out and make the times and curve modulatable. It could be insane.

KVRist
130 posts since 7 May, 2017

Post Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:39 am

+1 for mseg

KVRAF
3150 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:56 am

Shade (new UVI creative filter) has also has good one
Image
so there is a place for possibilities here

ps. (fyi it's on intro sale now, https://www.uvi.net/en/effects/shade.html till Oct 31)
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KVRAF
3297 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth

Post Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:29 am

xbitz wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:56 am
Shade (new UVI creative filter) has also has good one
Image
so there is a place for possibilities here

ps. (fyi it's on intro sale now, https://www.uvi.net/en/effects/shade.html till Oct 31)
No luck... ilok.
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KVRAF
18486 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:27 am

brownerthanu wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:52 am
+1 for an mseg. They could really Bitwig it out and make the times and curve modulatable. It could be insane.
Being able to modulate individual points and curves can be useful, but also tedious. So I'd also like to have ways to affect more than one point at a time. Towards that end, I rather like the function of the Zebra MSEG's that have attack, loop and release stages with time parameters for each stage (regardless of the # of points in each stage). So for the Bitwig MSEG, a similar attack, loop and release stage with strength and time parameters for each so that each stage can be modulated by itself. That would be very powerful, but also fairly quick to create complex shapes and actions.

Another way to approach that could be to have something like the 4 stage modulator, but have each stage able to have sub points... similar to Hive.

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