What about MSEG modulator in Bitwig ?

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KVRist
186 posts since 7 Oct, 2020

Post Sat Dec 12, 2020 12:31 pm

Maybe they could get some design clues from the Surge MSEG. A lot of work went into getting it just right (still some work to be done). Would be cool to see things go full circle, with Claes (one of the Bitwig devs) being the original Surge dev.

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KVRAF
18483 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sat Dec 12, 2020 1:01 pm

Hanz Meyzer wrote:
Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:09 am
I totally miss a flexible MSEG in Bitwig, too. If that was available I wouldn't also need ADSR or so anymore, one cleverly designed module instead. Also the MSEG shouldn't have only statical segments over time, but instead each point's value + length should be modulatable. With the line/bend features of the normal automation.
The 4-Stage modulator has depth, time and curve modulatable for each step. So something like that with more than 4 points

KVRist
192 posts since 19 Oct, 2019

Post Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:19 am

MSEG implementation I liked is from Image-Line and Serum. The former has a variety of curve types and looping feature. Serum has automatable/modulatable points.

KVRAF
3150 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:56 am

^^^ Gatekeeper has all these features
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf1j7C6 ... e=youtu.be
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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KVRAF
18483 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:12 pm

xbitz wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 11:56 am
^^^ Gatekeeper has all these features
But it is not per voice...

KVRAF
3150 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:39 pm

luckily, I still prefer the composing(creating) part in music to the tweaking one, per voice modulation tweaking would be an infinite pit :D
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

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KVRAF
18483 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:53 pm

xbitz wrote:
Sun Dec 13, 2020 12:39 pm
luckily, I still prefer the composing(creating) part in music to the tweaking one, per voice modulation tweaking would be an infinite pit :D
I basically would never use an MSEG that wasn't per voice... for exactly the same reason :lol:

KVRist
152 posts since 28 Oct, 2010 from Mexico

Post Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:12 pm

I'm still on the fence about buying Bitwig but with all the focus on modulation I assumed it would have MSEGs by now.

Considering they already have everything in place to do it, this seems such a low-hanging fruit.

KVRer
1 posts since 4 Dec, 2014

Post Tue Dec 15, 2020 8:27 pm

I made a video showing how to use Reaktor Blocks mseg's in the grid. Those can be used to modulate anything in Bitwig. I know it isn't an optimal solution, and I would like to see an mseg just as much as everyone else. But, it is quick and easy to do, and works just fine, as long as you have Reaktor 6.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfaZQuZeGJ4

KVRist
426 posts since 16 Jan, 2019 from a moist cave

Post Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:55 am

Bumping this thread. Has a dev ever responded about why there aren't any MSEG modulators in BW? Usually they're pretty responsive but they seem to be absent with this request?

KVRist
414 posts since 11 Dec, 2002 from Los Angeles

Post Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:05 pm

No response that I’ve seen. It’s a glaring omission from the DAW that embodies modulators. My guess is it will come eventually?

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KVRer
24 posts since 24 Feb, 2021

Post Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:02 pm

using LFOtool CC out is a workaround but this is one of the biggest missing features IMO

KVRist
190 posts since 21 Feb, 2012

Post Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:11 pm

Yes +1

KVRAF
3150 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:15 pm

GXG wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:02 pm
using LFOtool CC out is a workaround but this is one of the biggest missing features IMO
http://www.cableguys.com/midishaper.html is better IMO
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

KVRist
190 posts since 21 Feb, 2012

Post Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:09 am

xbitz wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:15 pm
GXG wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:02 pm
using LFOtool CC out is a workaround but this is one of the biggest missing features IMO
http://www.cableguys.com/midishaper.html is better IMO
Yes Midi Shaper is also good but it's interface is too big & wide. of course it's
a VST plugin that we can't map to it directly this shouldn't have to be the same
as a native BWS device.
I like how endless shapes that Midi Shaper afford. but they stop updating it,
it becoming old now.

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