Is Bitwig dying?

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KVRist
54 posts since 31 Oct, 2007 from Australia

Post Fri May 24, 2019 2:27 am

Sorry, older post... now i see the Bitwig 3.1 wishlist is riddled with comping requests ....

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KVRAF
8192 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Fri May 24, 2019 2:36 am

Jolaff wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 8:28 pm
Astralp wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:22 pm
I’ve decided to probably wait to see what they do for 3.1 which I think is supposedly workflow related. I hope that’s true.
Where did you get that information ?
It was never said explicitly, but can be implied from last paragraph here:
https://www.bitwig.com/en/19/behind-the ... arity.html
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KVRAF
1511 posts since 28 Mar, 2007

Post Fri May 24, 2019 2:53 am

telecode wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 2:10 pm



For example, if you buy into the Pro version, what will it cost you to keep up to date vs just buying into the Artist or Elements version and keep upgrading and compare the features you are getting to what you will actually use and what those features are compared to other DAWs.
For a hobbyist such as myself it would be much more sensible to just use the cut down versions, I will never use the features that the Pro versions provide. But,they know - and I know, I would always be hankering after the Pro versions wondering what I am missing.

Dastardly capitalist marketeers. :hihi:

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KVRAF
2265 posts since 24 Mar, 2015 from Toronto, Canada

Post Fri May 24, 2019 3:05 am

dellboy wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 2:53 am
telecode wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 2:10 pm



For example, if you buy into the Pro version, what will it cost you to keep up to date vs just buying into the Artist or Elements version and keep upgrading and compare the features you are getting to what you will actually use and what those features are compared to other DAWs.
For a hobbyist such as myself it would be much more sensible to just use the cut down versions, I will never use the features that the Pro versions provide. But,they know - and I know, I would always be hankering after the Pro versions wondering what I am missing.

Dastardly capitalist marketeers. :hihi:
I think the capitalism and GAS only exists in the Internet on KVR and Gearsluts forums. Actual places and pros use old stuff and take a if it ain't broke don't fix it approach. There are gazillion of posts of guys going in studios and they are on Cubase 5 or 6 and stuff like that. The whole market is like the gold rush industry on Klondike. The only people that struck gold where the merchants that sold shovels and picks to gold diggers. GAS is basically constantly buying new shovels and picks. Still, one can't resist Cubase Pro for $200 when all others are selling Pro comparables for double and triple. :hyper:
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Beware the Quoth
29357 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair

Post Fri May 24, 2019 3:31 am

tubular2000 wrote:
Fri May 10, 2019 10:19 am
The grid was supposed to be THE thing, but a search on you tube reveal only a handful of videos covering this. there is about one new video per month about Bitwig and most of them have only a couple hundred views. almost nothing on facbook too.

is bitwig painting itself in the corner by acting like a synth and pretending to be a daw?
Yeah, its dying. A lack of YT videos on a product still under NDA can only ever be indicative of a full-blown collapse of the company. The end times are near, best to start researching which dayglo Reaper skin makes your eyes vomit least.
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KVRAF
8192 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Fri May 24, 2019 3:57 am

dellboy wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 2:53 am
For a hobbyist such as myself it would be much more sensible to just use the cut down versions, I will never use the features that the Pro versions provide.
The problem is their definition of artist vs. pro, because - to them - artist is someone who sits there with a guitar and/or piano, wants to record their performance and perhaps edit it a bit. You can be a hobbyist but be doing complex electronic music anyway, which requires a lot of "pro" features. That for example is the case with Studio One, where all the fun instruments, effects, scratch pads, multi-instruments and extended FX chains and even VST compatibility (!) are only available in "pro" version. I never really analysed Cubase from that angle, but I'm pretty sure it's similar.
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KVRAF
8192 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Fri May 24, 2019 4:06 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:31 am
Yeah, its dying. A lack of YT videos on a product still under NDA can only ever be indicative of a full-blown collapse of the company. The end times are near, best to start researching which dayglo Reaper skin makes your eyes vomit least.
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KVRAF
2080 posts since 25 Feb, 2005 from Ganymede

Post Fri May 24, 2019 4:07 am

Jolaff wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 8:28 pm
Astralp wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:22 pm
I’ve decided to probably wait to see what they do for 3.1 which I think is supposedly workflow related. I hope that’s true.
Where did you get that information ?
It will have been on this forum, somebody mentioning it possibly in one of the beta threads. How true it is I don't know, but I'm hoping so.

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KVRAF
2080 posts since 25 Feb, 2005 from Ganymede

Post Fri May 24, 2019 4:14 am

antic604 wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 3:57 am
dellboy wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 2:53 am
For a hobbyist such as myself it would be much more sensible to just use the cut down versions, I will never use the features that the Pro versions provide.
The problem is their definition of artist vs. pro, because - to them - artist is someone who sits there with a guitar and/or piano, wants to record their performance and perhaps edit it a bit. You can be a hobbyist but be doing complex electronic music anyway, which requires a lot of "pro" features. That for example is the case with Studio One, where all the fun instruments, effects, scratch pads, multi-instruments and extended FX chains and even VST compatibility (!) are only available in "pro" version. I never really analysed Cubase from that angle, but I'm pretty sure it's similar.
Cubase Elements is certainly one of the best light versions, they are very generous in terms of core functionality for the price I think. But I couldn't imagine using it exclusively, but it's handy to have on second machine, it can use soft e-licenser for one thing. I've never used Artist but it could probably be enough for most unless you have complex monitoring or hardware needs. But generally there's always going to be a feature you want in the next version up at some point unless you have very good mental discipline!

KVRian
1298 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Inverness, Scotland

Post Fri May 24, 2019 4:59 am

kpv wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:44 am
Bitwig really need to up their PR game.
Yup.

Bitwig at Superbooth talking to Warren Huart. 25:13 in video. Link is timestamped to there. Grid at 30:41. Apologies if already posted.

https://youtu.be/gTplAqjB2UU?t=1513

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How not to impress someone with the grid. :lol:
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KVRian
658 posts since 11 May, 2014

Post Fri May 24, 2019 6:37 am

Karbon L. Forms wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 4:59 am
kpv wrote:
Tue May 21, 2019 7:44 am
Bitwig really need to up their PR game.
Yup.

Bitwig at Superbooth talking to Warren Huart. 25:13 in video. Link is timestamped to there. Grid at 30:41. Apologies if already posted.

https://youtu.be/gTplAqjB2UU?t=1513

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How not to impress someone with the grid. :lol:
For real. That guy doesn't do a good job explaining. I was shaking my head that whole time because there was so much stuff that he should have said and now Warren probably walked away thinking "crappy Ableton Live clone toy thing"

KVRian
1298 posts since 10 Jun, 2004 from Inverness, Scotland

Post Fri May 24, 2019 6:55 am

Yep, Warren is not about to switch DAWs. They should have just showed him a bonkers grid doing generative stuff and sounding great. Or something.
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KVRAF
8192 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Fri May 24, 2019 7:08 am

Karbon L. Forms wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 4:59 am
:dog:

How not to impress someone with the grid. :lol:
To be fair, he was prepared - and probably was doing that the whole day - to explain what's new in 3.0 and how is The Grid different from other modular environments. So that question (what's Bitwig?) simply surprised him and he wasn't sure where to even begin.

I' more interested in seeing that The Grid lecture that was advertised to be happening on Suprbooth:
https://www.bitwig.com/en/home/news-arc ... -2019.html
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KVRAF
18666 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Fri May 24, 2019 7:19 am

ckam03 wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 6:37 am
For real. That guy doesn't do a good job explaining. I was shaking my head that whole time because there was so much stuff that he should have said and now Warren probably walked away thinking "crappy Ableton Live clone toy thing"
I've done a bunch of demo'ing at trade shows... if someone is not that interested there is very little time to say much and these things are synergistic... my demos were always better when people were genuinely interested. And of course if it is at the end of a long day (which can be rather tiring at such shows) that goes double.

Also, the Grid is hard to demo unless someone is specifically into modular software.

KVRAF
1511 posts since 28 Mar, 2007

Post Fri May 24, 2019 7:33 am

pdxindy wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 7:19 am

Also, the Grid is hard to demo unless someone is specifically into modular software.
Is there a reason that I would want to be into modular software other than to waste a few hours plugging in cables to see what noise comes out ?

Enjoyable, yes, but does it have an end purpose ?

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