what is your favorite controller surface (compact with good knobs)

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KVRist
92 posts since 10 Mar, 2017

Post Mon Jan 04, 2021 12:47 pm

I have a P1, everything works in Bitwig 3.31 as advertised by Nektar, when I get going I can often work it with the monitor off for lengthy sessions moving between channels, presets, transport and edit mapped devices via the display.
The knobs and sliders are reasonable quality for the price point, my main gripe is the physical surface is so shiney that it smudges and dust shows up!

KVRian
922 posts since 2 Apr, 2015

Post Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:58 pm

For knobs: https://kentonuk.com/product/killamix-mini/

Extremely high quality encoders, led rings, bi-directional, multiple pages of CCs via buttons.

KVRer
7 posts since 16 Feb, 2020

Post Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:11 pm

I haven’t tried it yet, but I must say that the Icon Pro Audio Platform M+ looks like a worthy option to consider for faders. The overall emphasis seems to be placed on the faders and buttons, but it has knobs as well. Anyone have experience using this one? How are you getting along with it?

KVRAF
3150 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:38 am

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KVRer
15 posts since 20 Oct, 2012

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KVRAF
7964 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Fri Jan 22, 2021 4:45 am

guitarfrenzi wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 3:56 am
https://intech.studio/
Is it really your favourite? Are the connections firm enough that it doesn't fall apart? How well does it integrate with Bitwig?
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KVRAF
18486 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:52 am

Faderport 16 (don't have one yet but looks interesting for Bitwig)

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KVRian
847 posts since 10 Dec, 2013

Post Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 am

pdxindy wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:52 am
Faderport 16 (don't have one yet but looks interesting for Bitwig)
I also noticed that in Dave's recent video... I wasn't even aware there was a 16 fader version of the Faderport. Looks like great fun, I've never used motorised faders before!
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KVRAF
18486 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:24 am

Hez wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:56 am
pdxindy wrote:
Fri Jan 22, 2021 7:52 am
Faderport 16 (don't have one yet but looks interesting for Bitwig)
I also noticed that in Dave's recent video... I wasn't even aware there was a 16 fader version of the Faderport. Looks like great fun, I've never used motorised faders before!
Same here... Be cool if Dave did a video showing how the Faderport 16 integrates specifically with Bitwig.

KVRist
75 posts since 28 Mar, 2014

Post Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:30 am

Push 1 with Jürgen mossgraber scripts. Compact, playable for me the best total integration. Encoders are the best too. Nektar p4 / p1 is great too but for me 70 % = 100 % for push 1

KVRer
27 posts since 10 Oct, 2020

Post Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:26 am

I never thought I would hear Push 1 described as 'compact' ! A proper lump of landfill that thing.

KVRer
27 posts since 10 Oct, 2020

Post Sat Jan 23, 2021 12:31 am

The Intech look great - I was ready to order the encoder one straight after seeing that link but the price is too expensive for me with tax and shipping added on..
I am sure they are top quality but seems quite high.

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KVRAF
5709 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:55 am

bitwigger9 wrote:
Mon Jan 18, 2021 4:11 pm
I haven’t tried it yet, but I must say that the Icon Pro Audio Platform M+ looks like a worthy option to consider for faders. The overall emphasis seems to be placed on the faders and buttons, but it has knobs as well. Anyone have experience using this one? How are you getting along with it?
I own the older Platform M without the plus.
It's a pretty mixed bag. The build is solid, rather slim and looks good, the faders are medium-silent, the knobs feel solid...
But.
The faders on my unit and another users one are very different in speed. While you can adjust the overall speed, you can't do so individually for each fader. Maybe not a problem if you like fast faders, but then the noise is rather loud when they hit the endpoint - there is no damping, it hits with a loud clacking sound.
So if like me you would prefer the faders to be slower and more silent, you may end up like me with one very sluggish fader that just doesn't really reach it's destination and so it mutters along, zippering audibly all the time...
But much worse: The rotary knobs are total crap. While they feel good and solid, I was totally unable to make them behave in a smooth predictable way. They jump and their acceleration can't be turned off, which would be okay if it wouldn't be crap. We were in long discussions with their support (which was lovely) and while they improved the firmware a lot over time, the rotaries are still close to unusable on our units.
So ATM I use only the faders and can't recommend it - which galls me, since if the quality control and final adjustments were just one tiny tad better, I'd call it the best motor fader unit available in such a price range.
Buttons are good and almost everything can be re-programmed with an okay editor.

I do not know if the + series is any better. It came out relatively quickly after the non+ version. So with luck, it's a hardware-bug-fix release as well as having RGB LEDs instead of just red ones.
Worth a try maybe and send it back if it's not working for you.

BTW. We tried a Behringer X-Touch Compact first and that was the worst pile of crap ever. Huge, ugly, very loud faders, crapy rotaries and worst of all for our use: the Faders are NOT high resolution 10/14 bit but only 7 bit, so the unit is actually a step back from the BCF2000 (which it is in several respects IMO). So I can only say: Stay away for all it's worth.

Compared to that the Platform M is pure bliss ;-)

Cheers,

Tom
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KVRAF
18486 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:15 am

ThomasHelzle wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 4:55 am

BTW. We tried a Behringer X-Touch Compact first and that was the worst pile of crap ever. Huge, ugly, very loud faders, crapy rotaries and worst of all for our use: the Faders are NOT high resolution 10/14 bit but only 7 bit, so the unit is actually a step back from the BCF2000 (which it is in several respects IMO). So I can only say: Stay away for all it's worth.

Compared to that the Platform M is pure bliss ;-)

Cheers,

Tom

Have you had chance to try the Faderport 16?

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KVRAF
5709 posts since 9 Dec, 2008 from Berlin

Post Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:13 am

pdxindy wrote:
Sat Jan 23, 2021 8:15 am
Have you had chance to try the Faderport 16?
I no longer do any scripting for Bitwig other than updating what I use myself and only had those controllers since I wrote a paid script for somebody who also provided me with the gear.
So no, I never tried the Faderport 16, but I remember in the early days of Bitwig I had the first Faderport with a single fader here for a while and it's motor fader was very good and smooth.

Other than the noise, I think there is something extremely satisfying with motorfaders.
When you switch between devices and you instantly see what the parameters are set to, that's really special and the sheer physicality of them moving is magic :-)
That's basically why the Platform M - even with it's problems - is the only DAW controller I've kept.

One important point is also, how flexible you can control a controller from your own scripts. The Platform M has only like 2 or 3 buttons that you can't address yourself and that don't send messages. Other controllers are sometimes much more limited to the preset functions or simply don't tell the script when buttons get pressed etc...

Cheers,

Tom
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