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KVRAF
7962 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:37 pm

tshear23 wrote:
Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:24 pm
My SoundToys stuff won't load up in 3.3.7. Just kind of eternally scans them.
Which one in particular? I tried 6-7 of them and all load fine (Win10).
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KVRAF
6823 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from NZ

Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:57 am

Sliders/knobs are not working in keylab mk ii anymore (mixer mode)!
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KVRian
833 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA

Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:40 pm

So we are complaining about bug fixes now? Why is this a problem? You don't have to update, you know. But for those who are hitting these bugs, I'm sure they are grateful that Bitwig does not do the typical crap that some other companies do and defer such bug fixes to a paid upgrade.

KVRAF
6823 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from NZ

Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:49 pm

teilo wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:40 pm
So we are complaining about bug fixes now? Why is this a problem? You don't have to update, you know. But for those who are hitting these bugs, I'm sure they are grateful that Bitwig does not do the typical crap that some other companies do and defer such bug fixes to a paid upgrade.
Good advice! Why reporting back the bugs here (or "complaining") ?! Just shut up and use a previous version.
I won't complain again! Sorry!
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KVRAF
2066 posts since 9 Dec, 2011 from falling

Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:52 pm

teilo wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:40 pm
So we are complaining about bug fixes now? Why is this a problem? You don't have to update, you know. But for those who are hitting these bugs, I'm sure they are grateful that Bitwig does not do the typical crap that some other companies do and defer such bug fixes to a paid upgrade.
This is KVR = Komplain Very Regularly ... especially about free giveaways, bug fixes, and pretty much anything else possible.

KVRAF
6621 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:37 pm

teilo wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:40 pm
So we are complaining about bug fixes now? Why is this a problem? You don't have to update, you know. But for those who are hitting these bugs, I'm sure they are grateful that Bitwig does not do the typical crap that some other companies do and defer such bug fixes to a paid upgrade.
People are not complaining about big fixes, they are reporting that these releases seem to be introducing more new bugs than they are fixing and that perhaps they should be tested more before release (maybe a beta) to stop regressions.
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KVRist
196 posts since 27 Nov, 2017

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:28 am

ChrisDW wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:26 am
This is how you know we are at the end of Bitwig 3 and moving onto version 4. They always like to leave the last version as stable as possible for those who don't upgrade

The latest major release, Bitwig Studio 3.0, was released on 10 July 2019.

KVRAF
6621 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:49 am

Alchemedia wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:28 am
ChrisDW wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:26 am
This is how you know we are at the end of Bitwig 3 and moving onto version 4. They always like to leave the last version as stable as possible for those who don't upgrade

The latest major release, Bitwig Studio 3.0, was released on 10 July 2019.
The way BitWig works, 3.3 was the latest 'major' version as you would have had to pay for it if you didn't have an active upgrade plan, no difference in price to the V3 or V2 update.

Bitwig 'say' they are all just incremental upgrades and are released 'when they are ready' and not held back for big releases.... hence the upgrade plan. I am not saying that is true, just that that is what they say! :ud:
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KVRian
1204 posts since 10 Oct, 2018

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:20 am

Downside of the upgrade plan: no garantee on a stable (major) version when the one year contract dissolves.

KVRAF
6621 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:27 am

excuse me please wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:20 am
Downside of the upgrade plan: no garantee on a stable (major) version when the one year contract dissolves.
To be fair, I have had the same issue with Cubase and others that 'move on' to the next version and stop supporting older versions for bug fixes, forcing you to pay for the latest version to get fixes or advertised features working...its not unique to the upgrade plan.

Personally I am ambivalent about the 'upgrade plan', although I suspect it did more harm than good to Bitwig based on misinformation and poor marketing. They should have just called it an 'upgrade to latest version' (with 1 years free updates included). You can of course just treat it as any other paid upgrade (with 1 years free updates after that) but the poor marketing and misinformation has really confused what it is and what people can expect...its been 6 months without an update, so if you bought the 'plan' to get 'rapid fire' updates you may feel a little let down.
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KVRist
287 posts since 18 Oct, 2015 from Germany

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:10 am

billcarroll wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:52 pm
teilo wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:40 pm
So we are complaining about bug fixes now? Why is this a problem? You don't have to update, you know. But for those who are hitting these bugs, I'm sure they are grateful that Bitwig does not do the typical crap that some other companies do and defer such bug fixes to a paid upgrade.
This is KVR = Komplain Very Regularly ... especially about free giveaways, bug fixes, and pretty much anything else possible.
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KVRian
1204 posts since 10 Oct, 2018

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:12 am

SLiC wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:27 am
excuse me please wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:20 am
Downside of the upgrade plan: no garantee on a stable (major) version when the one year contract dissolves.
To be fair, I have had the same issue with Cubase and others that 'move on' to the next version and stop supporting older versions for bug fixes, forcing you to pay for the latest version to get fixes or advertised features working...its not unique to the upgrade plan.

Personally I am ambivalent about the 'upgrade plan', although I suspect it did more harm than good to Bitwig based on misinformation. They should have just called it an 'upgrade to latest version with 1 years free updates included' the marketing was very poor initially and the 'upgrade plan' was easily confused with subscription.

You can of course just treat it as any other paid upgrade (with 1 years free updates after that) but the poor marketing and misinformation has really confused what it is and what people can expect...
Well, I'm not a CEO, but I assume one of the survival mechanisms of a company is based on a steady cashflow. Rather going somewhat up each other year. Simple: the company wants customer X to upgrade to accomplish this. This is where the plan failed, apparently.

The company has to offer garantees to keep the upgraders of their product(-s) willing and happy. The point is: when the customer gets not what they expected from a major update, it will do that company harm. NB that's why they switched from version updates to a subscription based on a time limit. Because their original business plan (delivering the major updates as expected) failed. Let there be no mistake about it.

But the main business dilemma stays unsolved: how to generate a stable income? That is: not affected by fluctuations too much. That is: not affected by fads and trends too much (distraction).

Of course there are solutions, but hey.. I'm still not a CEO, why should I do their job without being paid for it? However, a child could figure out that if there's an actual major update (no matter what they call it) each two years, then the upgrade plan would work better when the subscription also is about two years. Lol speaking of business planning (strategy)...

Because that way the customer at least has a sense of what to expect, and what not, in the long run (whether they are happy, or not, is point two, of course). So they have a better insight of when and why to upgrade, I suppose. In the other words: the more a company delivers by matter of expectation as it comes to their upgrade plan (supposition): the more garantee that company will create for itself, regarded to a steady (upwards going) income (cashflow) in the long run.

KVRAF
6621 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:25 am

excuse me please wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:12 am
But the main business dilemma stays unsolved: how to generate a stable income? That is: not affected by fluctuations too much. That is: not affected by fads and trends too much (distraction).
Which is why so many companies now offer 'real' subscription based access...monthly fee's are the Holy Grail and increase the book value of companies based on forward projections. Most will start of by offering 'both' options, but eventually it is likely will just be subscription for many (possibly amalgamated) companies products. This year I think you will see many more of the major players (such as NI) going subscription based...its the future for companies who want to generate a stable income, 2 years a long time to wat for a cash hit, most businesses don't have the cashflow to run for more than 6 months without significant new income from sales or investors!

I also think most companies spend most of their time acquiring new customers rather than worrying about their existing customer base. Sure, upgrades are a bonus, but the bigger the 'customer' pool, the more the upgrade cycle is worth. New customers can be easier to entice/market to than upgraders and pay a lot more than upgrader for the product, so it's 2 bites of that particular low hanging fruit...
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KVRian
1204 posts since 10 Oct, 2018

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:03 am

SLiC wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:25 am
excuse me please wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:12 am
But the main business dilemma stays unsolved: how to generate a stable income? That is: not affected by fluctuations too much. That is: not affected by fads and trends too much (distraction).
Which is why so many companies now offer 'real' subscription based access...monthly fee's are the Holy Grail and increase the book value of companies based on forward projections. Most will start of by offering 'both' options, but eventually it is likely will just be subscription for many (possibly amalgamated) companies products. This year I think you will see many more of the major players (such as NI) going subscription based...its the future for companies who want to generate a stable income, 2 years a long time to wat for a cash hit, most businesses don't have the cashflow to run for more than 6 months without significant new income from sales or investors!

I also think most companies spend most of their time acquiring new customers rather than worrying about their existing customer base. Sure, upgrades are a bonus, but the bigger the 'customer' pool, the more the upgrade cycle is worth. New customers can be easier to entice/market to than upgraders and pay a lot more than upgrader for the product, so it's 2 bites of that particular low hanging fruit...
Of course. If a company does not manage to develop a loyal userbase, then they go opportunistic with their policies. Offer freebies, cool looking add-ons, subs, discounts, "rewards for your loyalty against all odds", etc. Which are not really part of the actual development of the product itself. But that way a company keeps on running behind the facts in the long run when it comes to the development of their actual package. No matter what.

They have to make sure each time people will fall for the same marketing trick in the long run. By matter of compensation; how to attract enough new customers at each upgrade so that the "why-I-lefters" are in the minority. Each upgrade again, look Woody..

At least, if that company wants a stable income in the long run :clown:

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KVRAF
18483 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:15 am

SLiC wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:27 am
excuse me please wrote:
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:20 am
Downside of the upgrade plan: no garantee on a stable (major) version when the one year contract dissolves.
To be fair, I have had the same issue with Cubase and others that 'move on' to the next version and stop supporting older versions for bug fixes, forcing you to pay for the latest version to get fixes or advertised features working...its not unique to the upgrade plan.

Personally I am ambivalent about the 'upgrade plan', although I suspect it did more harm than good to Bitwig based on misinformation and poor marketing. They should have just called it an 'upgrade to latest version' (with 1 years free updates included). You can of course just treat it as any other paid upgrade (with 1 years free updates after that) but the poor marketing and misinformation has really confused what it is and what people can expect...its been 6 months without an update, so if you bought the 'plan' to get 'rapid fire' updates you may feel a little let down.
There is no 'perfect' model. As long as Bitwig does not become actual subscription, I don't really care about the pricing model used. If Bitwig had instituted the exact same model, but the price was $40 a year, basically nobody would have complained. It all comes down to money.

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