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MrRodent
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Post Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:16 pm

antic604 wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:37 pm
I was pretty negative about 4.1 initially, but it turns out to be an awesome update! :clap: :phones:
When 4.2 is announced and still won't have the features that you wished for, just take a deep breath, relax and trust the Wig.

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pdxindy
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Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:06 am

antic604 wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:37 pm

I was pretty negative about 4.1 initially, but it turns out to be an awesome update! :clap: :phones:
I'm exploring making melodies from the output of the Note Repeats device. Random pitches constrained to a key is easy, but making a specific, non-random melodic pattern is not as easy. Here I added a Note Transform device after the Note Repeats and used a ParSeq-8 modulator to adjust semitones per step. (Steps modulator could use snapping to 12 vertical steps for semitones). I dropped in a simple looping drum pattern for a bit of a foundation. This is 2 held notes going to 1 Note Repeats device.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-2.mp3

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antic604
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Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:42 am

Very nice! I'd probably use Steps if I wanted random but repeatable. I might do just that.
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pdxindy
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Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:47 am

antic604 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:42 am
Very nice! I'd probably use Steps if I wanted random but repeatable. I might do just that.
Steps doesn't work well cause you cannot set it to specific semitone values. For example, 3 semitones up is 37.5 but Steps only goes by integers.

I sent in a feature request for Steps to snap to a 12/24 step vertical grid.

My above example is entirely repeatable... no randomness on note pitch, just timbre and velocity.

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antic604
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Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:55 am

pdxindy wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:47 am
Steps doesn't work well cause you cannot set it to specific semitone values. For example, 3 semitones up is 37.5 but Steps only goes by integers.
If you'll modulate Note Transpose with it it will snap to semitones just fine I believe. In my patch - that you probably saw the video of - I'm using Random modulators which obviously don't snap and it works just fine.
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pdxindy
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Post Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:25 am

antic604 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:55 am
pdxindy wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:47 am
Steps doesn't work well cause you cannot set it to specific semitone values. For example, 3 semitones up is 37.5 but Steps only goes by integers.
If you'll modulate Note Transpose with it it will snap to semitones just fine I believe. In my patch - that you probably saw the video of - I'm using Random modulators which obviously don't snap and it works just fine.
Good to know... thanks!

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pdxindy
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Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:53 am

antic604 wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:55 am
pdxindy wrote:
Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:47 am
Steps doesn't work well cause you cannot set it to specific semitone values. For example, 3 semitones up is 37.5 but Steps only goes by integers.
If you'll modulate Note Transpose with it it will snap to semitones just fine I believe. In my patch - that you probably saw the video of - I'm using Random modulators which obviously don't snap and it works just fine.
Yup... finally tested.. works fine. The midi clip is one note and using Note Repeats to create the rhythm and Steps to create the pitch sequence.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-3.mp3

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antic604
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Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:32 am

pdxindy wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:53 am
Yup... finally tested.. works fine. The midi clip is one note and using Note Repeats to create the rhythm and Steps to create the pitch sequence.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-3.mp3
Sounds good! I was actually meaning to reply to this and say it isn't strictly true (that Note Transpose snaps pitch) especially if you'd use a continuous signal like an LFO or Random in a non-stepped mode, but even with LFO I managed to get this working passing the output of LFO through Sample & Hold and then through Quantize modulators. Otherwise Bitwig would record output of Note Transpose as having pitch bends which doesn't sound good (at least not for what I needed them).
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pdxindy
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Post Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:54 am

antic604 wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 7:32 am
pdxindy wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 6:53 am
Yup... finally tested.. works fine. The midi clip is one note and using Note Repeats to create the rhythm and Steps to create the pitch sequence.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-3.mp3
Sounds good! I was actually meaning to reply to this and say it isn't strictly true (that Note Transpose snaps pitch) especially if you'd use a continuous signal like an LFO or Random in a non-stepped mode, but even with LFO I managed to get this working passing the output of LFO through Sample & Hold and then through Quantize modulators. Otherwise Bitwig would record output of Note Transpose as having pitch bends which doesn't sound good (at least not for what I needed them).
I just tried a sine LFO and it quantizes when modulating semitones on the Note Transpose.

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pdxindy
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Post Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:05 pm

I'm figuring out my techniques for using note repeats and using step modulator to create the pitches. It is interesting because I can make the rhythm with one and pitches with the other and use different lengths to make more complex but still repeating patterns. Simple Polysynth patch.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-4.mp3

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antic604
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Post Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:18 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:05 pm
I'm figuring out my techniques for using note repeats and using step modulator to create the pitches. It is interesting because I can make the rhythm with one and pitches with the other and use different lengths to make more complex but still repeating patterns. Simple Polysynth patch.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-4.mp3
Yup. I always do this. That's why I also wanted Arpeggiator to have separate loop lengths for gates, pitch, velocity. We can now basically piece this together ourselves.
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pdxindy
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Post Tue Dec 07, 2021 6:39 am

antic604 wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 11:18 pm
pdxindy wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:05 pm
I'm figuring out my techniques for using note repeats and using step modulator to create the pitches. It is interesting because I can make the rhythm with one and pitches with the other and use different lengths to make more complex but still repeating patterns. Simple Polysynth patch.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-4.mp3
Yup. I always do this. That's why I also wanted Arpeggiator to have separate loop lengths for gates, pitch, velocity. We can now basically piece this together ourselves.
This is very flexible now... not a super intuitive workflow and it takes a bit of visualizing, but once one gets the hang of it, also pretty fast... and the possibilities are different than the Arp could do because with Note Repeats, each note is its own arpeggiator and the notes can have more variety of grooves because they don't have to be on the grid. For example:

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-5.mp3

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Tj Shredder
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Post Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:19 am

This is great stuff for its own thread I think... Or it will get lost with 4.2...

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_leras
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Post Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:07 am

pdxindy wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:05 pm
I'm figuring out my techniques for using note repeats and using step modulator to create the pitches. It is interesting because I can make the rhythm with one and pitches with the other and use different lengths to make more complex but still repeating patterns. Simple Polysynth patch.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-4.mp3
Nice examples - are these all Polysynth?

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pdxindy
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Post Wed Dec 08, 2021 5:08 pm

_leras wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 2:07 am
pdxindy wrote:
Mon Dec 06, 2021 10:05 pm
I'm figuring out my techniques for using note repeats and using step modulator to create the pitches. It is interesting because I can make the rhythm with one and pitches with the other and use different lengths to make more complex but still repeating patterns. Simple Polysynth patch.

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-4.mp3
Nice examples - are these all Polysynth?
few examples are Polysynth and one is Polymer... also #5 is Hive

This is another I just did with Polysynth (totally dry)... 2 held notes with 1 Note Repeats device to create the rhythm pattern and this time I tried per note micro-pitch editing to create the melody. Wanted to see if it works and it does!

https://dandelionaudio.com/sound/Note-Repeats-6.mp3

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