liqih wrote: ↑
Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:56 am
I hear you HK
, with "heavily" I mean also the pre-amp and and mixer console stages.
At minimum in Jarre's records you have:
solina >>> some kind of analogue amplifier >>> ("speaker to mike" stage ? Or direct to console) >>>analogue mixer eq >>> mastering to record.
Plus into some of the links above add reverb or EQ or both, and speaking most probably some high-end effects with their own character and boosting.
I don't mean this as a excuse to make my SDS cheap sounding . As Stringzy
said you need to have a rich tone in the beginning to have good result at the end. What I mean is a that a fair comparison of SDS to real solina must include a similar chain of plugins to the audio output.
So HK if you have time please try SDS with some other good plugins stage, like an Amp sim and channel strip EQ, and let me know where do you think I should improve the source sound. Thanks
With the Eminent, it was E310 direct line out to MCI JH400 console, then to tape.
He used relatively little effects processing, slight EQ, reverb, tape delay. And copious phasing and flanging. Nothing else in the early albums.
"Plus into some of the links above add reverb or EQ or both, and speaking most probably some high-end effects with their own character and boosting."
Not really high end, he wasn't super rich in the beginning. But that changed after Oxygene.
There are pages listing his equipment, it's not top end stuff, aside from the synths.
Also, bear in mind, the ARP Solina String has quite a bit more rough and ... "unrefined" sound to it, compared to the E310. Because the organ had more stuff going on under the hood. That's why everyone's software emulations always leave a lot to be desired. It's a bit like everyone constantly emulating and re-emulating the MiniMoog and the Hammand organ.
But I wound't stress mate. You're doing well.
In no particular order the current software top 3 contenders are:
1. Loomer String
2. The Interruptor Night Flight
3. Eminent-V 310 Strings Ensemble MkII (in the Native Instruments Reaktor User Library)
Check them out, and if you can outdo them, you're set.
Out of the box they don't sound precisely like an ARP or an Eminent, but all three can be set to do that. For some reason, no one quite nailed the chorus settings. But I did for all 3 of them.
The only thing that's really missing on all 3 of them, is that slight (intelligent) dulling of the keys, down the keyboard. Just that alone kills the rawness of the ARP Solina, and makes things sound more orchestral like the Eminent, which is what makes it conducive to a wider variety of genres.
When Eminent sold the Solina technology to ARP, they ARP guys wanted it to be portable, not as heavy, and they were strapped for cash, so the Solina String Ensemble cut corners, and to my ears, sounds like an unfinished Eminent sound (which it actually is).
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