MIDI Pickups

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KVRist
32 posts since 22 Jul, 2017

Post Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:21 pm

I demoed MIDI Guitar 2 and MIDI Bass 2 recently. Both plugins are pretty weak at handling bends and other articulations.

Besides that software, and installing a MIDI pickup, are there any other options worth mentioning?

Is there any tech out there that's virtually flawless at capturing a performance and turning it into a midi track?

That's what these things do, right?

Thanks, Adam

lfm
KVRAF
5741 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden

Post Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:16 pm

Heard good things about Fishman Triple play
https://www.fishman.com/tripleplay/

If it can handle slide by generating notes plus pitch wheel I am not sure.
But since you track each string separately options are better.
Then it could do bends and stuff like vibrato pretty well.

Plugins first need to do polyphonic tracking to start with, so odds are worse.

But pedals like EHX Gog2, octaver, can do polyphonic tracking pretty well, so guess technology developed quite a bit. Maybe there are pedals that do midi from a pedal.

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KVRAF
11067 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area

Post Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:25 pm

Here’s the hard truth. Learn to play keyboard. MIDI Guitar 2 is as good as any hardware hex to MIDI device I’ve used, but it’s not perfect either. I mean, think about it. It really can’t be. You’re always going to need a few cycles of waveform before a guess can be made about pitch, and that means low notes are always going to be late.

A guitar like controller might be the way to go, but after getting really disappointed by a Starr Labs controller, I gave up. That thing sucked beyond words. I can’t imagine these new cheap things are any better. These days my controller of choice is a Roli Rise 49. Of course, it’s not a guitar, or anything like a guitar, but I can get really good results out of it. Way better than any MIDI guitar solution.
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32 posts since 22 Jul, 2017

Post Wed Jul 14, 2021 11:35 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:25 pm
Here’s the hard truth. Learn to play keyboard. MIDI Guitar 2 is as good as any hardware hex to MIDI device I’ve used, but it’s not perfect either....
These days my controller of choice is a Roli Rise 49.
I heard the same this about the MIDI Guitar plug...that it's pretty much as good as it gets.

The Roli Rise looks amazing, but it's way out of my price range. To give u an idea of my budget, I was about to spend $60 on a used MAudio Oxygen 49 v3, or go really crazy and drop 90 on the v4 (to get the added pads).

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KVRAF
6861 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:48 am

Pretty much all this gear as bad at interpreting bends and slides. But, if you have a bottomless wallet then there are guitars you can get that use tech like ‘fret scanning’ that is supposed to be vastly better at it, but they’re a few grand and all booked up for about a year or more
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https://www.rorguitars.com/products/expressiv-midi-pro

I’ve been using keyboards and sample libraries like OTS Evolution to do ‘guitar’ recently
https://soundcloud.com/main_tenant/sketch-of-a-sketch

KVRist
80 posts since 18 Dec, 2018

Post Sat Jul 17, 2021 11:02 am

RO'R is excellent.
FTP is pretty useable for the price ... but you have to learn to play it ... lots of people dismiss it because they're not as clean and precise in their technique, and it's not forgiving.
Linnstrument is a great MPE interface for string players, you can use all your familiar scale and chord patterns repeatedly all over ... copy many riffs too ... you don't need to translate to keyboard shapes.

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KVRAF
5839 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Post Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:10 am

zerocrossing wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:25 pm
Here’s the hard truth. Learn to play keyboard. MIDI Guitar 2 is as good as any hardware hex to MIDI device I’ve used, but it’s not perfect either. I mean, think about it. It really can’t be. You’re always going to need a few cycles of waveform before a guess can be made about pitch, and that means low notes are always going to be late.
This is not true as soon you have other means to sensor the pitch. I have a Peavey MidiBase, which uses the frets as contacts to get the correct pitch immediately, and then uses pitch tracking to sensor the bends. The also decades old Axon needed a quarter wavelength which is acceptable for guitar (but not for bass)…
The Fishman demo videos look convincing, the guy is bending and the synth follows. But you’d need to test it yourself I guess…

KVRAF
2207 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Post Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:47 am

I own Jamstik Studio midi guitar. Putting it through its paces now. Just got it in this week. The youtube videos show it tracking slides, hammerons, pull offs and tapping technique with a high degree of accuracy. I'll update you with my findings. I have tried a few over the years. This one looks the best so far. In my case I am just trying to speed up the creation of scores for content on my website with detailed and accurate representations of my guitar work. It has to track well to be worthwhile. I am less concerned about using it performatively. I do play keyboards albeit as a secondary instrument.

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KVRAF
6861 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:48 am

Meh, I bet someone from my old school could transcribe guitar better and faster than Jamstick
I did go to school with Guthrie Govan tbf

KVRAF
2207 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Post Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:50 am

WatchTheGuitar wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:48 am
Meh, I bet someone from my old school could transcribe guitar better and faster than Jamstick
I did go to school with Guthrie Govan tbf
Huh?

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KVRAF
6861 posts since 30 Apr, 2019

Post Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:03 am

Scotty wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:50 am
WatchTheGuitar wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:48 am
Meh, I bet someone from my old school could transcribe guitar better and faster than Jamstick
I did go to school with Guthrie Govan tbf
Huh?
Was just a joke. If you read the white text then Guthrie is a world famous guitarist and he transcribed tabs and solos for magazines for years

KVRAF
6151 posts since 20 Jan, 2008

Post Thu Jul 22, 2021 9:51 am

lfm wrote:
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:16 pm
Heard good things about Fishman Triple play
https://www.fishman.com/tripleplay/

If it can handle slide by generating notes plus pitch wheel I am not sure.
But since you track each string separately options are better.
Then it could do bends and stuff like vibrato pretty well.

Plugins first need to do polyphonic tracking to start with, so odds are worse.

True

I've abandoned all hope on midi guitars even though I'd been playing them since the 80's and whenever some new tool came along I'd be quick to jump on it. I gave up before tripleplay became available.

Now I'm all mpe and all linnstrument for my midi playing. Bitwig and other hosts have adopted to mpe input and can handle the rigors of non mpe plugins via some magic of multiple instances of a selected plugin matching up with the channels. No midi 2.0 required.

The linnstrument isn't for everyone and it's not a guitar. But I've found it to be the best tool for midi expression. I've also given up keyboard playing as a result.
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