U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

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grumpyG
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41 posts since 28 Nov, 2010

Post Sat Mar 30, 2019 4:48 pm

valankar wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:59 am
I have this same problem on Mac+Ableton, and notice it most when you open the MSEG large editor. Moving points around are incredibly slow, especially if there is a loop going. In Bitwig it's the same thing.

However, awhile back I found this post because I had the same problem with Reason:

https://www.reddit.com/r/reasoners/comm ... _high_res/

I tried Setting => Display => Color => choose "sRGB IEC61966-2.1" and it is MUCH faster!
Thanks for that - this tip made a HUGE difference for me - 2018 mbp touchbar 13" on 10.14.4.

I was getting annoying interface lag in general - especially in the patch browser in Zebra2 but all is good after changing the colour profile.

eldigi
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21 posts since 28 Jan, 2011

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:40 pm

valankar wrote:
Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:59 am
I have this same problem on Mac+Ableton, and notice it most when you open the MSEG large editor. Moving points around are incredibly slow, especially if there is a loop going. In Bitwig it's the same thing.

However, awhile back I found this post because I had the same problem with Reason:

https://www.reddit.com/r/reasoners/comm ... _high_res/

I tried Setting => Display => Color => choose "sRGB IEC61966-2.1" and it is MUCH faster!
WOW it fixed my issue!
thanks a lot

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DrGonzo
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2349 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:18 am

I know a bit about computers, or at least I thought I did, but how changing a display profile can speed things up is really beyond me. Cool tip and thanks for sharing!

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#rob
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565 posts since 20 Aug, 2013

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Mon Apr 08, 2019 1:22 am

It worked for us, too. :tu:

We have a Dell 27" USB-C display here, and while the overall Mojave experience was alright via HDMI, we also encountered super-sluggish scopes, knobs, etc. when connecting the display via USB-C/TB3.

Switching to other colour profiles had varying effect on the drawing speed, but this one very specific sRGB colour profile made things really fast again. No clue how or why. :shrug:
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Rob
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jschwa
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2 posts since 16 Dec, 2015

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:52 am

I'm on the latest 10.1 of Ableton. Each click in the Diva Gui is taking multiple seconds to register. I tried the color profile trick and it didn't work.

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Forgotten
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8531 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:34 am

jschwa wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:52 am
I'm on the latest 10.1 of Ableton. Each click in the Diva Gui is taking multiple seconds to register. I tried the color profile trick and it didn't work.
Which version of MacOS?

In Live 10.1 and MacOS 10.14.5 Diva works fine for me with no issues.

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Urs
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24304 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:16 am

Some news on this: We've deployed a few little tips and tricks we gathered from the developer community. We think we have found a solution to bring hardware acceleration back to our UIs without overly deep surgeries. We plan to post intermediate versions (Latest Builds) of Hive, ACE, Bazille and Diva in a few weeks. The results are very promising, but we have found only one machine in our HQs which really suffered big time.

Other optimizations and bugfixes nicely reduce CPU consumption for UIs on Windows and possibly Linux as well.

Can't wait to post this stuff!

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DrGonzo
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2349 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest

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Post Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:32 am

Wonderful news! This is probably the last reason for me not to update to Mojave. But sorry for the "welcome to amateur"-hour question, but how the heck do one measure CPU UI consumption?

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EvilDragon
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19302 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:39 am

You compare CPU usage at the OS level with the plugin window open vs plugin window closed.

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DrGonzo
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Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:40 am

Lol... I should have thought of that. Cheers :)

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Urs
u-he
24304 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:44 am

And also, once you've seen the UI update rate on Mojave with 2-5 frames per second, you simply *know* that something is completely off.

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6887 posts since 16 Aug, 2006

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:14 am

Thankfully this wasn't a six month deep dive into GUI code. Good news all around! :party:

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EvilDragon
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Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:19 am

DrGonzo wrote:
Sun Apr 07, 2019 12:18 am
I know a bit about computers, or at least I thought I did, but how changing a display profile can speed things up is really beyond me. Cool tip and thanks for sharing!
Converting between colorspaces is done with some code, and apparently Apple's function to convert to a certain colorspace is not exactly well optimized.

perpetual3
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1189 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:31 am

I’ve got to try this Mojave was the worst upgrade I made, Apple clueless to help.

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Urs
u-he
24304 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: U-He plugins are very sluggish on Live 10.0.5 and Mojave 10.14.2

Post Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:17 am

Of course we have only internal testing so far, but here Hive 2 /w updated drawing feels like a whole new visual experience again 8)

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