Presswerk and make up level ceiling

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KVRAF
1816 posts since 13 Sep, 2007

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:59 pm

May be I'm missing but is there way to limit makeup gain?
E.g. I'm using presswerk on a bus it has auto makeup and it's average around +3db, then key element is removed, makeup jumps to +8db which gives unwanted volume spike, but I want it to go up no higher than +5db. Is ceiling possible to do on presswerk?
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KVRAF
2007 posts since 22 Jan, 2011 from near Los Angeles

Post Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:37 pm

Someone can probably answer this better than me, but I have a suggestion. How about having another session of Presswerk that is a limiter? Lately I sometimes have Presswerk (compressor) for the entire mix, and have a Presswerk limiter beyond that. It depends on the song how well that works.

KVRist
401 posts since 18 May, 2007 from Berlin

Post Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:59 am

Makeup gain uses a sort of "educated guess" ratio by which it boosts the signal. There are cases (like yours) where turning it off is the better choice. Might be best to use the output volume knob for your purposes here.

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KVRAF

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1816 posts since 13 Sep, 2007

Post Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:45 am

The unshushable Coktor wrote:
Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:59 am
Makeup gain uses a sort of "educated guess" ratio by which it boosts the signal. There are cases (like yours) where turning it off is the better choice. Might be best to use the output volume knob for your purposes here.
Sure but I often like that educated guess and on say drum bus it's nice when kick is out and remaining elements are sounding a bit louder, but only a bit.

You mean volume knob before plugin? Well I have Ableton Utility in front of Presswerk and automating volume drops but I was looking for more automated (lazier) solution.
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KVRist
401 posts since 18 May, 2007 from Berlin

Post Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:09 pm

I mean the "Output" knob in the middle above the VU meter, that's what you'd use to substitute for makeup gain.
Makeup gain isn't dynamic either, it doesn't add anything sonically except a fixed volume gain, so you can always replace it by using the output parameter.
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KVRian
629 posts since 29 Nov, 2002 from Finland

Post Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:56 am

Probaby this was already sorted, but just in case there was still any confusion: The fact that drums sound a bit louder through a compressor when the kick stops playing has nothing to do with makeup gain. That's just basic compression, and how it's supposed to react to level changes in the input signal. Makeup gain is a fixed amount of output gain which is calculated (=the educated guess) based on the threshold knob, maybe some other parameters as well. The idea is to compensate for the gain loss caused by compression (which by itself lowers the overall output level). But the amount of makeup gain is based on the GUI parameters only, it doesn't care about the actual audio signal. You can do the exact same thing by turning up the level knob, or adding a gain plugin after the compressor, or just raising the channel fader.

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