Little survey about software manuals
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Zaphod (giancarlo) Zaphod (giancarlo) https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=111268
- KVRAF
- 2596 posts since 23 Jun, 2006
Illustrator, indesign, Photoshop
- KVRAF
- 1844 posts since 16 Jul, 2004 from Deepest Yorkshire
I forgot to mention my vector stuff. I switched to Xara years ago and have stuck with it, though I have scripts for some SVG things like borders/frames etc. I diagram/flowchart using SmartDraw as Visio became cumbersome.
As you might have guessed, I'm a UNIX guy originally, so I usually see all tasks as scripts, even GUI based ones.
As you might have guessed, I'm a UNIX guy originally, so I usually see all tasks as scripts, even GUI based ones.
I miss MindPrint. My TRIO needs a big brother.
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- KVRAF
- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
Help and Manual looks nice!stian wrote:We use Help & Manual: http://www.helpandmanual.com/
Very nifty tool if you target multiple documentation formats and platforms.
Best,
Stian
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1153 posts since 11 Aug, 2004 from Breuillet, France
Help and Manual looks interesting indeed !
By the way, I'm using great and cheap Photoshop/Illustrator replacements called Affinity Photo and Designer, and Affinity is working on their own InDesign nowadays
By the way, I'm using great and cheap Photoshop/Illustrator replacements called Affinity Photo and Designer, and Affinity is working on their own InDesign nowadays
- KVRAF
- 1844 posts since 16 Jul, 2004 from Deepest Yorkshire
I've been meaning to try it. I have old versions of Serif Page/Photo/Draw Plus which I only used briefly, for a client who used them in-house. Generally I thought Serif was a good budget option but laborious to use. Hopefully Affinity has better workflow.Ivan_C wrote:By the way, I'm using great and cheap Photoshop/Illustrator replacements called Affinity Photo and Designer, and Affinity is working on their own InDesign nowadays
For me, Xara had the quickest and simplest workflow, with fast access to each tool and ability to enter values (rather than dragging the mouse). It has become bloated as more photo functions have been intergrated so I'd like something that was leaner.
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I miss MindPrint. My TRIO needs a big brother.
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- KVRAF
- 3080 posts since 17 Apr, 2005 from S.E. TN
Dang, this thread might cost me some money.
Will try the affinity designer demo. Looks promising and the licensing requirements appear quite tolerable. Hopefully the workflow is "better-simpler" than Illustrator. Illustrator is quite powerful but the times I've used it, didn't practice long enough to acquire skill. Non-expert operation seemed pulling teeth forever just to draw a simple diagram and get the desired appearance. Maybe modern versions of Illustrator are better in that regard, dunno.
Didn't check the licensing restrictions on Help and Office yet. H&O is somewhat expensive for a retired non-business expense that can't be written off. There are "just enough" missing features in the cheap version, that the pro version would probably be required. Otherwise with the cheap version, eventually I'd probably need to do something that the cheap version won't do.
Stian, a question if you know offhand-- I'm not expert on modern html usage and ignorant of modern scripting options. The scripting which Help and Manual uses to display formatted web pages-- Is the scripting server-side or client-side? In other words, could I upload a stack of H & M generated pages and get the visual/interactive behavior without enabling any kind of scripting support on my server?
A few years ago my personal "website that time forgot" was hacked via a security hole in an old simple script. I disabled all server-side scripting because I don't have time/patience to be a vigilant security policeman on a neglected hobby site. It would be nice to make prettier looking and behaving pages if I could do so without letting any scripts or webapps run on my server. But if it requires server-side scripts or apps, I can live without it.
Thanks!
Will try the affinity designer demo. Looks promising and the licensing requirements appear quite tolerable. Hopefully the workflow is "better-simpler" than Illustrator. Illustrator is quite powerful but the times I've used it, didn't practice long enough to acquire skill. Non-expert operation seemed pulling teeth forever just to draw a simple diagram and get the desired appearance. Maybe modern versions of Illustrator are better in that regard, dunno.
Didn't check the licensing restrictions on Help and Office yet. H&O is somewhat expensive for a retired non-business expense that can't be written off. There are "just enough" missing features in the cheap version, that the pro version would probably be required. Otherwise with the cheap version, eventually I'd probably need to do something that the cheap version won't do.
Stian, a question if you know offhand-- I'm not expert on modern html usage and ignorant of modern scripting options. The scripting which Help and Manual uses to display formatted web pages-- Is the scripting server-side or client-side? In other words, could I upload a stack of H & M generated pages and get the visual/interactive behavior without enabling any kind of scripting support on my server?
A few years ago my personal "website that time forgot" was hacked via a security hole in an old simple script. I disabled all server-side scripting because I don't have time/patience to be a vigilant security policeman on a neglected hobby site. It would be nice to make prettier looking and behaving pages if I could do so without letting any scripts or webapps run on my server. But if it requires server-side scripts or apps, I can live without it.
Thanks!
- KVRian
- 1466 posts since 1 Jan, 2005 from Norway
It's all running locally and you can export the help / manual to a variety of formats such as CHM, PDF, HTML, etc. You'll have to handle deployment yourself. The internal format is XML based, but there's usually no need to look at the XML code. We always use the WYSIWYG editor.JCJR wrote: Stian, a question if you know offhand-- I'm not expert on modern html usage and ignorant of modern scripting options. The scripting which Help and Manual uses to display formatted web pages-- Is the scripting server-side or client-side? In other words, could I upload a stack of H & M generated pages and get the visual/interactive behavior without enabling any kind of scripting support on my server?
Best,
Stian
- KVRAF
- 1844 posts since 16 Jul, 2004 from Deepest Yorkshire
Rather coincidentally, I just started up Corel Paint Shop Pro X6 and it offered me X9 Ultimate (Full) for £12.99 . It even came with some nice freebies.
How can I give Serif a hint?
How can I give Serif a hint?
I miss MindPrint. My TRIO needs a big brother.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1153 posts since 11 Aug, 2004 from Breuillet, France
It's too bad I have not found applications allowing to write Markdown text and to export to PDF with the ability to put page breaks, table of contents, footers. The closest one to this was Typora. I would love to be able to write a manual with this, but I think I'm finally going back to Word with templates
- KVRist
- 160 posts since 26 Sep, 2001 from Paris, France
Did you check Asciidoctor ? It's exactly that.It's too bad I have not found applications allowing to write Markdown text and to export to PDF with the ability to put page breaks, table of contents, footers.
Lorcan | lmdsp audio plug-ins
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- KVRian
- 1379 posts since 26 Apr, 2004 from UK
You can write one in Python and share it with the community :p I would welcome itIvan_C wrote:It's too bad I have not found applications allowing to write Markdown text and to export to PDF with the ability to put page breaks, table of contents, footers. The closest one to this was Typora. I would love to be able to write a manual with this, but I think I'm finally going back to Word with templates
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- KVRian
- 1379 posts since 26 Apr, 2004 from UK
Seems like the official implementation doesn't have a pdf backend anymore?lorcan wrote:Did you check Asciidoctor ? It's exactly that.It's too bad I have not found applications allowing to write Markdown text and to export to PDF with the ability to put page breaks, table of contents, footers.
- KVRist
- 160 posts since 26 Sep, 2001 from Paris, France
Sure it does !Seems like the official implementation doesn't have a pdf backend anymore?
https://github.com/asciidoctor/asciidoctor-pdf
http://asciidoctor.org/docs/render-docu ... put-format
On thing I like about it is that you can also output clean html/css and make your docs available online, such as https://www.lmdsp.com/products/superchord/manual/
Lorcan | lmdsp audio plug-ins
- KVRAF
- 4881 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki
This comment is a bit out of the topic, but I wish developers who write manuals, read this.
Firstly, I think many present developers neglegt the manual.
As a end user, for me the most important points concerning the manual are:
- easy and quick move to the manual while using the plugin, the format is not the main point
- not just a link to the internet, but a real dedicated manual
- table of contents -hyperlinked
- INDEX !!! which covers all the key words, hyperlinked
- graphs and pictures are great add-on
- possible links to the video tutorials
Thank you.
Firstly, I think many present developers neglegt the manual.
As a end user, for me the most important points concerning the manual are:
- easy and quick move to the manual while using the plugin, the format is not the main point
- not just a link to the internet, but a real dedicated manual
- table of contents -hyperlinked
- INDEX !!! which covers all the key words, hyperlinked
- graphs and pictures are great add-on
- possible links to the video tutorials
Thank you.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1153 posts since 11 Aug, 2004 from Breuillet, France
Indeed Asciidoctor looks cool, but I remember the last time I tried to install Ruby on my main Windows 8.1 computer
Anyway I'm probably going to use Linux more often than before in VirtualBox, maybe I'll see if I can test Asciidoctor there
Anyway I'm probably going to use Linux more often than before in VirtualBox, maybe I'll see if I can test Asciidoctor there