Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

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Ndustry99
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35 posts since 21 Oct, 2018

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:21 pm

Just think if you may be interested and you know a few people,.. I don’t really I have couple that will be more interested later though, but if you and maybe a few other people may be interested why not sign a non disclosure. If I was outright hiring people they would need to sign a non disclosure. This is a good idea, I mean a really good idea! Dont miss out on the Next Big Thing lol!!!

deastman
KVRAF
6942 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:17 pm

Ndustry99 wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:04 pm
deastman wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:54 pm
Most of us early adopters bailed on SynthMaker six years ago when DSP Robotics rolled it into Flowstone and introduced annual maintenance contracts.

(By the way, I can do hardware too. Still not signing an NDA.)
I just looked there are no contracts mentioned just $150 with upgrade protection I repeat no contracts are mentioned!

Why not, I pulled the NDA from the net, it’s a standard NDA. I have Adobe Sign , you sign with your mousse it takes two seconds! Lol my gosh Sorry I am An NDA guy I have other ideas I do the same thing with and I’ve talked to couple of people who say I should keep the NDA .
Okay, but you still haven’t addressed my NDA concerns. Let’s act out this scenario:

Me: Here’s your signed NDA.
You: Here’s my great idea.
Me: That isn’t an original idea. I’m already working on something just like it.
You: I have a signed NDA. You’ll be hearing from my attorney.
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Ndustry99
KVRist
35 posts since 21 Oct, 2018

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:32 pm

deastman wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:17 pm
Ndustry99 wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 7:04 pm
deastman wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:54 pm
Most of us early adopters bailed on SynthMaker six years ago when DSP Robotics rolled it into Flowstone and introduced annual maintenance contracts.

(By the way, I can do hardware too. Still not signing an NDA.)

I just looked there are no contracts mentioned just $150 with upgrade protection I repeat no contracts are mentioned!

Why not, I pulled the NDA from the net, it’s a standard NDA. I have Adobe Sign , you sign with your mousse it takes two seconds! Lol my gosh Sorry I am An NDA guy I have other ideas I do the same thing with and I’ve talked to couple of people who say I should keep the NDA .
Okay, but you still haven’t addressed my NDA concerns. Let’s act out this scenario:

Me: Here’s your signed NDA.
You: Here’s my great idea.
Me: That isn’t an original idea. I’m already working on something just like it.
You: I have a signed NDA. You’ll be hearing from my attorney.
I can promise I won’t do that, I can also promise your not working on it and we will let similar ideas be, and plus if your working on anything you have proof of your work before you met me already.

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ATS
KVRAF
6122 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:34 pm

if this is just for fun doesn't make sense to have someone sign anything.
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Ndustry99
KVRist
35 posts since 21 Oct, 2018

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:54 pm

It’s fun not just for fun I’m looking at a successful project to have a payoff but it’s likely not big, like I said earlier though the other project I need the NDA for would pay for this one likely.

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ATS
KVRAF
6122 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:57 pm

what exactly are you looking for in one concise sentence?
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Ndustry99
KVRist
35 posts since 21 Oct, 2018

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:41 pm

I’m looking for people to form a synth team with. I’ve been looking at JUCE, Synthmaker, Reaktor, and open source. When we have a workable Synth we can use it in another project I have, but I need a NDA.

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nix808
KVRAF
3700 posts since 22 Jul, 2006 from Tasmania, Australia

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 9:59 pm

Hiya- I'm interested to hear what you wanna get up to.
U can pm me the NDA, if you'd like to bounce it off me.
Here's my website->
http://www.phonicsaudio.com/
--sorry it's outdated, I last upped it in 2014
I have done quite a bit since then
I'm fluent in FlowStone,
and can suitably hack around in MAX and Reaktor.
Cheers, nice to meet u 8D

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VariKusBrainZ
KVRAF
8738 posts since 16 Dec, 2002

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:04 pm

Ndustry99 wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:32 pm
I can also promise your not working on it
Wow, youre omnipotent but cant code a plugin :hihi:

Ndustry99
KVRist
35 posts since 21 Oct, 2018

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:14 pm

VariKusBrainZ wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:04 pm
Ndustry99 wrote:
Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:32 pm
I can also promise your not working on it
Wow, youre omnipotent but cant code a plugin :hihi:
It’s two different projects working together not just a plugin and it’s highly unlikely your working on the same hardware at the same time too. And I’m getting to the coding part I just got introduced to some great stuff today and will probably have a tutorial synth done this week in JUCE there are some great videos for Flowstone and JUCE out there to get started with if anyone wants to help.

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mutantdog
KVRAF
1942 posts since 21 Sep, 2007 from The Infinite Void

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:07 am

Dude. I really think that you are doing yourself no favours with this whole NDA insistence, I understand that you want to protect your IP but a decent business relationship requires a level of mutual trust.

In the hypothetical example posted earlier:
Me: Here’s your signed NDA.
You: Here’s my great idea.
Me: That isn’t an original idea. I’m already working on something just like it.
You: I have a signed NDA. You’ll be hearing from my attorney.
You responded to this by promising that you "won't do that." You expect us to trust that you will keep to your word but cannot show the same courtesy in return.

You are new here so i get that you don't know this community, but i would feel confident in saying that everyone who has responded in this thread has enough integrity to honour a simple gentlemen's agreement without the need for this formality.

I have tried to help you by asking a few generic multiple choice questions which would help determine the sort of people that may be interested or most able to help you without requiring you to give away any specific details but even then you refuse to answer without me signing an NDA.

Nevertheless, i am intrigued - if only due to your sheer stubborness. Although i doubt i have any of the technical skills you require, i do have a lot of experience using software and a good knowledge of the marketplace and the products currently available so i believe my feedback has value. If you wish to send me a PM with a link to the full NDA i will read through it and, if satisfied, sign it when i get time. I can't promise how soon that will be though.

I do have one further stipulation: Without disclosing any specific details of the project or its IP, i am otherwise free to state publicly my personal opinion regarding the potential viability and marketability of the project and the legitimacy of your previous claims to the project's originality and educational value.

Take it or leave it.

Ndustry99
KVRist
35 posts since 21 Oct, 2018

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:28 am

Ok I’ll send you a pm

imrae
KVRian
529 posts since 2 Jul, 2010

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:40 am

Actual recommendation to OP: build a prototype yourself in Reaktor. Don't worry about making it pretty or efficient. You'll learn a bunch about what's involved and its technical viability, and have a demo to show others.

davidguda
KVRian
524 posts since 28 Feb, 2011 from Sweden

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:59 am

Ndustry99: what would be your contribution to the project? b.t.w.. an idea is not a contribution in that sense. I can guarantee everyone here has ideas but without enough time to implement them. Would you do DSP, coding, marketing, graphics, sound design, testing?
As most have already have pointed out, the NDA is not a great idea, it will only stop you from finding like minded individuals. Realize that an idea is not really that much worth, implementation is king. Look at most soft synths and hardware... there is quite frankly pretty much the same stuff in different variations and implementations.
If you really hold your idea high there is a higher chance seeing it become reality with more openness.
David Guda gudaaudio.com

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aciddose
KVRAF
12128 posts since 7 Dec, 2004

Re: Hobbyists for a Synth Team!

Post Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:09 am

Get a patent first, then we'll talk. You sound more flakey than a fish.

You realize without the means to acquire a patent you're hopeless in terms of defending your claims regarding an NDA in a civil suit, right?

You're also limited to small claims so you won't have access to recoup much without demonstrating real damages or the ability to have statutory damages awarded.

Basically this "NDA" bullshit appears when someone has neither a leg to stand on nor any backbone.

Please do the minimal "read at least the first google search result" research on the subject.

https://www.acc.com/legalresources/quic ... ements.cfm
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