Music without the right "artist" is dead

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stanlea
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:02 am

True. Mozart is a bastard. Salieri was THE genius.
You can't always get what you waaaant...

blueman
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:02 am

debra1rlo wrote:Image
Excellent example of creating a successful, personal brand :hihi:

rcat
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548 posts since 5 Feb, 2004

Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:03 am

Did any of you watch the American Music Awards? This is the one which is voted on by the fans and general public. The OP is 100% correct.

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debra1rlo
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:04 am

blueman wrote:
debra1rlo wrote:Image
Excellent example of creating a successful, personal brand :hihi:
All I know is I like it when they do that horsey dance. :love:
Check out our debut CD: Gitane Demone Quartet - Past The Sun on Dark Vinyl Records (featuring Rikk Agnew & Paul Roessler)
video for Past The Sun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3eCmEiWoWE

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jupiter8
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:21 am

Hmmm some of us may remember a time when Rihanna wasn't Rihanna but just a talented local singer that no one had heard about.

itsDavidAbraham
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:30 am

jupiter8 wrote:Hmmm some of us may remember a time when Rihanna wasn't Rihanna but just a talented local singer that no one had heard about.
Yes, but the music didn't make her. Jay-Z did :)

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herodotus
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5482 posts since 8 Dec, 2004 from The Twin Cities

Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:38 am

blueman wrote:Many of the classic bands would not have a shot today because they relied only on a committed fan base and creating "good music". Today's fans are FAR more fickle and a lot less loyal than ever before. That's what I'm seeing anyway. :shrug:
Many classic bands might not 'have a shot' at Rihanna style success today. But they likely would have done just fine on the scale of Charlie Parr or Steve Albini.

Music lovers, real music lovers who actually listen intently, are actually quite rare. The celebrity culture BS that masses of people consume and talk about intersects with actual music only occasionally and unpredictably.

chk071
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:45 am

itsDavidAbraham wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:Hmmm some of us may remember a time when Rihanna wasn't Rihanna but just a talented local singer that no one had heard about.
Yes, but the music didn't make her. Jay-Z did :)
So you say that any talented singer who just steps up to Jay-Z would become famous over night?

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jupiter8
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:46 am

itsDavidAbraham wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:Hmmm some of us may remember a time when Rihanna wasn't Rihanna but just a talented local singer that no one had heard about.
Yes, but the music didn't make her. Jay-Z did :)
Huh ? That makes no sense what so ever.

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debra1rlo
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:51 am

even if the OP's assertion is true (it may be, i'm in no place to say either way) it's not stopping people from doing their own thing. i've seen a lot of cool bands playing out live recently and i've had fun playing too. 8)
Check out our debut CD: Gitane Demone Quartet - Past The Sun on Dark Vinyl Records (featuring Rikk Agnew & Paul Roessler)
video for Past The Sun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3eCmEiWoWE

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ariston
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3386 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat

Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:51 am

itsDavidAbraham wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:Hmmm some of us may remember a time when Rihanna wasn't Rihanna but just a talented local singer that no one had heard about.
Yes, but the music didn't make her. Jay-Z did :)
That's a bit simplistic, yes? I don't know, I get kind of tired of this "four legs good, two legs bad" attitude. I love stupid pop songs, and I love microtonal noodlings and highbrow shit. There's art and knowledge and experience to be found in both.

Rihanna rocks. She might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, and she might not be Dianne Reeves, but she's got that special something that a lot of singers don't have.

Shabdahbriah
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:53 am

blueman wrote:
Shabdahbriah wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:so how is this different from the rest of the history of popular music?
Precisely! "Popular" by nature is 'trendy', and "trendy" by nature is fickle.
Fair enough, but it IS different by virtue of the variables (new technology) changing. I don't know how you can claim that popular music is as it always was when we now have music downloads, sample libraries and auto-tune. Today, so-called "real" band music is easily (and indistinguishably) replaced by something manufactured by a single person in a bedroom with the above tools readily (and mostly, freely) available. That, to me, is the game changer and its effects on what we are calling "popular music" are evident.
FAR be it from me to argue the "difference" technologically, as you make points with which I agree... however, relative to the OP's proposition/angst, we're dealing with the "psychology" (or psycho-graphics) and in large part demo-graphics of the 'phenomenon' OF "popular" or "pop-culture", in contrast to the "technology" available, save for (the most part) "distribution".

Obviously, the technology has made "creation" and distribution readily available/accessible to and for the masses, which (IMHO) does not preclude but generally presumes there being a viable "market", for their efforts.

That "presumption" is well fed by the an industry that is quite adept at selling "image" (bling-bait), to those who aspire to BE "popular" by association/agreement, albeit "vicariously" and/or affectaciously. That "me to", works both ways. e.g. How many "stars" now flaunt "tattoo's", for example?

To whom are they/do they - appeal?

The OP's premise was fairly accurate given what is known (or accepted/understood) to be the norm, unless the "local talent" has something that gets them "noticed" by the movers and shakers, AND can be capitalized on... then - things can change quickly.
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debra1rlo
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:55 am

ariston wrote:Rihanna rocks. She might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, and she might not be Dianne Reeves, but she's got that special something that a lot of singers don't have.
But I would rate her under Ella Ella Ella Ella Eh? Eh? Eh? Eh?
Check out our debut CD: Gitane Demone Quartet - Past The Sun on Dark Vinyl Records (featuring Rikk Agnew & Paul Roessler)
video for Past The Sun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3eCmEiWoWE

itsDavidAbraham
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59 posts since 17 Sep, 2011

Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:00 am

ariston wrote:
itsDavidAbraham wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:Hmmm some of us may remember a time when Rihanna wasn't Rihanna but just a talented local singer that no one had heard about.
Yes, but the music didn't make her. Jay-Z did :)
That's a bit simplistic, yes? I don't know, I get kind of tired of this "four legs good, two legs bad" attitude. I love stupid pop songs, and I love microtonal noodlings and highbrow shit. There's art and knowledge and experience to be found in both.

Rihanna rocks. She might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, and she might not be Dianne Reeves, but she's got that special something that a lot of singers don't have.

Oh don't get me wrong. I love Rihanna, my OP wasn't meant to infer that there isn't significant value brought by the branded artist. It's just to acknowledge it. Many talented producers/songwriters beat themselves up because they haven't "made it", when their art is fine. The point is, a record like "Diamonds" has much more potential if sung by Rihanna than by a local artist. If that record had not gotten placed with Rihanna it would still be a good record.

itsDavidAbraham
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Post Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:06 am

chk071 wrote:
itsDavidAbraham wrote:
jupiter8 wrote:Hmmm some of us may remember a time when Rihanna wasn't Rihanna but just a talented local singer that no one had heard about.
Yes, but the music didn't make her. Jay-Z did :)
So you say that any talented singer who just steps up to Jay-Z would become famous over night?
No? How did you infer that from what I wrote? lol.

Overnight? Rihanna's first album did not do very well, as a matter of fact many thought she would be dropped...but Jay continued to invest.

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