There is no definition of free will that everyone can agree with. It's an opinion, then. It cannot be proven or disproven because it's not a real thing, just a notion or an idea. If the thing you want to say is the reason one would "create music" is necessarily deterministic or is an example of fatalism, well... good luck
Why Do You Create Music ?
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
There is no definition of free will that everyone can agree with. It's an opinion, then. It cannot be proven or disproven because it's not a real thing, just a notion or an idea. If the thing you want to say is the reason one would "create music" is necessarily deterministic or is an example of fatalism, well... good luck
- KVRer
- 7 posts since 12 Aug, 2020
I have no choice. I have to.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105855 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
cool.
next time im in court for a criminal offence, my defence is "i have no free will, unless you can prove otherwise. by proving the existence of randomness, at the quantum level. i rest my case your honour"
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- KVRAF
- 12941 posts since 30 Apr, 2019
ah, but if you are the plaything of a fate that has led you to crime then you are obviously fated to have a shit life and get banged up for it. QED prosecution rests m'lud.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105855 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- 15959 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Why does it have to be unique? What if someone else has expressed the same thought better than you, wouldn't it make more sense to copy them rather than to stick with your unique but inadequate expression? I can't say I have ever worried about my music being unique, that it sort of is is simply a product of my process.
Why? Who do you think wants to hear it?The sole thing we owe to each other is telling what we think, and how we feel. By any means necessary.
It's a concept specifically designed to be unprovable but, in reality, we all have free will. The universe didn't determine that I would have a cheese and bacon burger with chips for lunch today, that was my choice and mine alone.
Why is that important? Why can't you just be pleased within yourself that you have made something good and worthwhile? Why do you give other people so much power over you?
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- Boss Lovin' DR
- 12621 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
The multiverse theory would of course postulate that there exist infinite preordained iterations, including another BONES who has decided to have tofu and salad. Preposterous, and thereby invalidating the whole notion.
- KVRAF
- 5054 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
I don't know what I'd do without music. But it would most likely be extremely violent. I'm not that stable and my obsession with music keeps my mind occupied.
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 15959 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Actually, that's just science fiction's take on the idea of a multiverse. Most actual physicists think the very idea is stupid and the majority who think it might be possible wouldn't subscribe to that particular model of it (the Many Worlds Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics).donkey tugger wrote: ↑Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:48 amThe multiverse theory would of course postulate that there exist infinite preordained iterations, including another BONES who has decided to have tofu and salad. Preposterous, and thereby invalidating the whole notion.
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- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
I would tend to say free will is relative. My choice of chicken from the grocery store above other things is somewhat conditioned by a number of things, which interact with a number of other things which were largely out of my control. Availability and cost, for instance.
I don't go for fatalism or hard determinism as they seem absurd notions pretty soon, upon examination.
I don't go for fatalism or hard determinism as they seem absurd notions pretty soon, upon examination.
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
just, wow. Heads up asses in the most extreme possible manifestation, absolutely no music before the grandness that is you came along.
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- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Which of you with this notion are The One, though? You can't agree with the other guy if they're the singular creator of worthy music, that'd be you, yeah?
"absolutely" no music, no less. That's literally delusional talk.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105855 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
the universe may well be the product of someones imagination (admittedly someone with little imagination, no dragons for example) but it doesnt change the fact, if i dont pay my rent, im homeless.
id still like dragons though
id still like dragons though
- KVRAF
- 2477 posts since 24 Jan, 2016
don't bring free willy up in court someone would have a stroke