Overpriced Spitfire products

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AngelCityOutlaw
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182 posts since 4 Dec, 2017

Post Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:15 am

noiseboyuk wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:46 am
Sorry, what is everyone arguing about here? I've read the last couple of pages and I can't figure it out.
The thread is about over-priced Spitfire products. The OP posted about Kepler orchestra. I supported the idea that it, like Albion One are over-priced but I say it is because they lack the ability to play much in the way of orchestral repertoire when cheaper options are superior.
Gamma-UT wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:07 am
Noteperformer is a good tool. But is someone seriously going to send that rendition to a music director for actual use rather than as a guide for a live orchestra?
Those mockups from noteperformer there easily outperform what most sample libraries can do with that music. So yeah...if you're going for that kind of music, those examples would, in most cases, be the best option you'll have if you're not going to record a real orchestra.

Honestly man, I think you fail to recognize that there is actually considerable nuance here. "Good" sounding vs "real" sounding are not one and the same.

There is no universally-accepted benchmark for how real sample mockups need to sound to be used in a finished project. Music directors on projects that don't record real orchestras have and do accept whatever they feel is good enough and smart ones understand that they're not using a real orchestra. Sometimes, this is all pretty fake sounding. There are still lots of TV shows, games, etc. that don't have hyper-realistic sampled scores. They also don't have very realistic actor performances, special effects or dragons either, though. People don't seem to mind as long as the end result is good.

Mr Arkadin
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1581 posts since 11 Mar, 2003

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:44 am

AngelCityOutlaw wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:15 am
The thread is about over-priced Spitfire products. The OP posted about Kepler orchestra. I supported the idea that it, like Albion One are over-priced but I say it is because they lack the ability to play much in the way of orchestral repertoire when cheaper options are superior.
Kepler is definitely not about playing the orchestral repertoire. It's a niche product and as such could be disappointing for some people. Not all sample libraries have to do Mozart.

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Harry_HH
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3971 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:26 am

Mr Arkadin wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:44 am
AngelCityOutlaw wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:15 am
The thread is about over-priced Spitfire products. The OP posted about Kepler orchestra. I supported the idea that it, like Albion One are over-priced but I say it is because they lack the ability to play much in the way of orchestral repertoire when cheaper options are superior.
Kepler is definitely not about playing the orchestral repertoire. It's a niche product and as such could be disappointing for some people. Not all sample libraries have to do Mozart.
That’s what mean, among others, with my comment in my previous post: the thread ”lives its own life”, undepending what OP has written.

I NEVER even hinted, that I expected the Kepler being a multipurpose orchestral tool, when I purchased it.
Kepler is (supposed to be) niche product, to complement generic orchestral libraries.

I have several times specified the deficiencies of the Kepler in this thread, as I have experienced the product.
The core issue is, that a high-end -priced product shouldn’t be that badly implemented, as is the case with the Spitfire Kepler.

I have reported these issues to the developer, and got their reply. They don’t agree with me.

Mr Arkadin
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1581 posts since 11 Mar, 2003

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:25 am

Harry_HH wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:26 am
I NEVER even hinted, that I expected the Kepler being a multipurpose orchestral tool, when I purchased it.
Kepler is (supposed to be) niche product, to complement generic orchestral libraries.

I have several times specified the deficiencies of the Kepler in this thread, as I have experienced the product.
The core issue is, that a high-end -priced product shouldn’t be that badly implemented, as is the case with the Spitfire Kepler.

I have reported these issues to the developer, and got their reply. They don’t agree with me.
And I don't agree with you, so who's right and who's wrong? No-one of course.

I just feel that if you'd maybe bought something like Chamber Strings (I got it for £360 - utter bargain) then you'd have a different overall view. I have certainly seen mostly positive stuff about that library and the negative stuff is about the editing on certain articulations etc. And fixes is certainly an area I think Spitfire need to step on generally. I hope they do.

So yes, any library you find useless is going to be overpriced whatever it cost, but it doesn't make ALL Spitfire libraries overpriced (especially as this is the only one you have), which is what the thread title implies.

Sweeping statements like this sadly mask any nuances in your argument and lead to threads like this which I think, like everything it seems these days, is only seen through a polarising lens: left/right, wrong/right. I even agree with you on some points and suggested some things to try, but that all got lost in the noise I guess.

noiseboyuk
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2951 posts since 25 Jan, 2007

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:44 am

AngelCityOutlaw wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:15 am
noiseboyuk wrote:
Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:46 am
Sorry, what is everyone arguing about here? I've read the last couple of pages and I can't figure it out.
The thread is about over-priced Spitfire products. The OP posted about Kepler orchestra. I supported the idea that it, like Albion One are over-priced but I say it is because they lack the ability to play much in the way of orchestral repertoire when cheaper options are superior.
Ah, right you are, thanks.

I'll, um, leave it with my previous post. Y'all have fun now!
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Harry_HH
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Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:53 am

Simplification seems to be the only way to get even part of your message through.
Of course my thread header could have been something like
"Spitfire audio makes quality products, as we all know, but I'm a bit doubtful with their Kepler, didn't get much out of it, but on the other hand, this may be my own fault, maybe I expected wrong things, most likely all the rest Spitfire products are much better".

Mr Arkadin
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1581 posts since 11 Mar, 2003

Re: Overpriced Spitfire products

Post Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:38 pm

Harry_HH wrote:
Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:53 am
Of course my thread header could have been something like
"Spitfire audio makes quality products, as we all know, but I'm a bit doubtful with their Kepler, didn't get much out of it, but on the other hand, this may be my own fault, maybe I expected wrong things, most likely all the rest Spitfire products are much better".
See that's much better, gets the point across succinctly :hihi:

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