Is Kontakt still the best sampler?

Sampler and Sampling discussion (techniques, tips and tricks, etc.)
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KVRian
1189 posts since 10 Oct, 2018

Post Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:55 am

whyterabbyt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:04 am
excuse me please wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:49 am
So the replacement of the top had nothing to do with 200+ fired employees of the year before, according to you? Nor had it anything to do with financial top year 2020. Nothing to do with it. Fine by me, you win.
No, that's not according to me. I havent opined on that at all, and you made that up.
But.. you do believe that men land on the moon while there is no physical evidence.
Didnt opine on that either.

So according to you men walk on the moon but cannot solve an 8 by 8 square tic tac toe game like chess is, actually.
Or that.
The scientists babble about a multidimensionial universe but yet.. cannot solve a simple two-dimensional tic tac toe game.
Or that.

Do you think you're achieving something with all this silly?
Interesting. However, it's just another useless attempt to escape from reality. Better to prove me wrong there.
Prove what wrong? Your pathetic strawmen?

Get a f**king life.
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Why should I get a life? I am not fired yet. I did not put men on the moon during the Cold War either. Just relax, I'm only teasing :)

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Beware the Quoth
29285 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair

Post Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:58 am

excuse me please wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:55 am
Why should I get a life?
Marvelous self-own. :clap:
John Titor died for your sins!

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KVRAF
32185 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from another dimension

Post Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:51 am

Is Kontakt still the best sampler?

looked like an interesting thread, so I started reading. First comment I come across is ...
whyterabbyt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:04 am

Prove what wrong? Your pathetic strawmen?

Get a f**king life.
:o

:lol:
Hi-de-Hi!

KVRian
1189 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Germany

Post Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:54 am

To this never was the case.
I am happy with Falcon and Halion.

KVRer

Topic Starter

27 posts since 4 Jan, 2021

Post Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:11 am

Aloysius wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:51 am
Is Kontakt still the best sampler?

looked like an interesting thread, so I started reading. First comment I come across is ...
whyterabbyt wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:04 am

Prove what wrong? Your pathetic strawmen?

Get a f**king life.
:o

:lol:

lol everytime man.

KVRer

Topic Starter

27 posts since 4 Jan, 2021

Post Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:15 am

I don't like Kontakt either, in fact never got on with any native instruments stuff. I've gotten used to using the Ableton Sampler and you can do some cool multi-sampling things on there that perhaps aren't immedietly obvious. I think they expanded the macros in ableton 11 so maybe there will be a few features added to sampler.

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KVRian
650 posts since 7 Apr, 2019

Post Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:59 pm

Kontakt, Trillian, Omnisphere and a few others including Serum and now Vital. But they all use so much CPU. Either less instruments or bouncing mid-mix I guess :)

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Beware the Quoth
29285 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair

Post Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:37 am

kingozrecords wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:59 pm
Kontakt, Trillian, Omnisphere and a few others including Serum and now Vital.
Paid a lot of attention to that 'the best sampler around as far as the pitch algorithm and for multi-sampled instrument libraries', bit, eh?
John Titor died for your sins!

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KVRAF
4169 posts since 31 Oct, 2004

Post Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:30 pm

Assuming you mean sample player by saying "sampler", I think that Halion is way better for everything except library creation, which is a nightmare if your library contains more than 1 preset. If Steinberg could fix the convoluted Halion library creation process, it would be a serious contender to Kontakt. For the moment I can't imagine any developers keeping their sanity creating and selling Halion instruments. Look for yourself, this is the process to create 1 preset:

https://developer.steinberg.help/displa ... +Libraries

Other than that, it's great, I really like it and as a sound design tool, it's hard to beat. Falcon is the closest, although I only used v1. Maybe Falcon 2 is better.

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KVRAF
32185 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from another dimension

Post Fri Jan 15, 2021 1:48 am

Kontakt is a bit like Pro Tools. It's not necessary the best but it is the standard.
Hi-de-Hi!

KVRAF
1775 posts since 11 Mar, 2003

Post Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:40 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:00 am
v1o wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:52 pm
Almost every other sampler you could think of is easier to use Zampler, EXS, NNXt, Tal Sampler etc etc
Disagreed. NNXT and TAL Sampler are sort of idiosyncratic and in many ways slower to use than Kontakt.
But most people are mere mortals, not Evil Dragon. For the rest of use not into scripting Kontakt is... not user friendly. Personally I have done the minimum of work in Kontakt, have to YouTube it every time I do. It is a sample player (I'm one of the annoying, "If it don't sample, it ain't a sampler" brigade) and gets treated as such. Except I would do more editing on even a sample player, it's not exactly conducive to spontaneous creativity. I guess I miss the hardware days on this front (you know, the ones that actually sample).

This is a library player where you don't touch the creators' library at all. If there weren't so many libraries for it I would dump it tomorrow.

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KVRAF
21394 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:46 am

I'm not even talking about scripting, just pure usability. I used them all and a lot of things are just not as fast as in Kontakt.

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KVRian
669 posts since 22 Feb, 2014

Post Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:26 am

Mr Arkadin wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:40 am
For the rest of use not into scripting Kontakt is... not user friendly. Personally I have done the minimum of work in Kontakt, have to YouTube it every time I do. It is a sample player (I'm one of the annoying, "If it don't sample, it ain't a sampler" brigade) and gets treated as such. Except I would do more editing on even a sample player, it's not exactly conducive to spontaneous creativity. I guess I miss the hardware days on this front (you know, the ones that actually sample).
Is there a soft sampler you like that actually samples? There doesn't seem to be much consensus on this, which leads me to believe that most folks who are into sampling are using what the have in their DAW. I'm also going to guess they are mostly Live, Logic, Cubase, and FL Studio users...maybe Reason, too.

Perhaps too much assumption on my part, but I'm curious about the subject.

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KVRAF
9074 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:32 am

ensoniq eps 16+ is still the best sampler

KVRAF
27641 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Post Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:33 am

Mr Arkadin wrote:
Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:40 am
EvilDragon wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:00 am
v1o wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:52 pm
Almost every other sampler you could think of is easier to use Zampler, EXS, NNXt, Tal Sampler etc etc
Disagreed. NNXT and TAL Sampler are sort of idiosyncratic and in many ways slower to use than Kontakt.
But most people are mere mortals, not Evil Dragon. For the rest of use not into scripting Kontakt is... not user friendly.
I always thought Kontakt is as user friendly as the library you are working with. Unless you mean the basic functionality of Kontakt itself, which is pretty straight forward IMO.
Plugins and a DAW. On an operating system. Which runs on a computer.

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