Is Kontakt still the best sampler?

Sampler and Sampling discussion (techniques, tips and tricks, etc.)
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KVRAF
21405 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:20 am

Oh you meant THAT!

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KVRAF
21405 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:22 am

v1o wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:09 am
Something as simple as taking a sample synth note and then pitching across the keyboard isn't exactly straightforward.
It's literally just a drag and drop onto empty Kontakt rack, it auto-creates the instrument with the note already stretched between C-1 and C8 with middle C as root. Not straightforward?

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KVRAF
9938 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Post Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:48 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:22 am
v1o wrote:
Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:09 am
Something as simple as taking a sample synth note and then pitching across the keyboard isn't exactly straightforward.
It's literally just a drag and drop onto empty Kontakt rack, it auto-creates the instrument with the note already stretched between C-1 and C8 with middle C as root. Not straightforward?
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KVRian
1070 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:28 am

Kontakt is of course immensely powerful. However there are things about it that drive me crackers! There's quite a few annoyances with the way menus work and the GUI its self. I use it a lot but personally think it's showing its age and needs a major update. I am finding TAL sampler to be a great alternative, not for big libraries or fancy GUIs, but when you just want to drop in a vocal, or a bass and get it going in a track. I find the work flow very fast and with the oldskool sampler modes it sounds great too! Give it a go.

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KVRian
1070 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:37 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:00 am
v1o wrote:
Fri Jan 08, 2021 1:52 pm
Almost every other sampler you could think of is easier to use Zampler, EXS, NNXt, Tal Sampler etc etc
Disagreed. NNXT and TAL Sampler are sort of idiosyncratic and in many ways slower to use than Kontakt.
NN-XT is not on the same level really and not easy to use, but I think TAL sampler is quicker to use than kontakt. I particularly like the file menus for browsing samples.

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KVRAF
21405 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:46 am

Mapping stuff in TAL Sampler is slower tho. Doesn't seem to do velocity layers (but yeh it's probably not supposed/wasn't intended to) or zone key/vel crossfades.

It's all just tools. Different tools for different purposes :)

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KVRian
1070 posts since 9 Jan, 2014 from Worldwide

Post Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:54 am

EvilDragon wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:46 am
Mapping stuff in TAL Sampler is slower tho. Doesn't seem to do velocity layers (but yeh it's probably not supposed/wasn't intended to) or zone key/vel crossfades.

It's all just tools. Different tools for different purposes :)
Yes exactly, but I haven't looked at the mapping too much but it is there if needed. I actually found the looping in TAL very good. Can't say the same to NN-XT, which is a shame because I have to use that sometimes. lol :tu:

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KVRAF
12289 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California

Post Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:05 pm

Is there any plugin or program/app (not necessarily a sampler plugin) that will record audio like hardware samplers, starting and stopping based on threshold?

KVRer
16 posts since 21 Sep, 2020

Post Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:38 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:46 am
Mapping stuff in TAL Sampler is slower tho. Doesn't seem to do velocity layers (but yeh it's probably not supposed/wasn't intended to) or zone key/vel crossfades.

It's all just tools. Different tools for different purposes :)
Kontakt is good for mapping samples to zones but how do you load and swap those already mapped multisamples easily?
It feels like an obvious core feature is missing. If you could save the mapped zones as some multisample-zone-file and easily browse and load those, that would be a huge improvement.
Could be similar to selecting sound sources in Omnisphere.
Some Kontakt libraries, like Analog Dreams, use scripts to add that functionality. But those script solutions are somewhat limited and locked to those libraries. Would be much better to have native support for loading multisamples, like sources in Omnisphere.

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KVRAF
21405 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia

Post Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:56 pm

Yeah, that is a good point. There is only functionality to exchange a single sample, and beyond that, there's facility for exporting/importing whole groups - but not solely the whole keymap of the group.

Alternatively, you can just keep on mapping things to separate groups, then use Group Start Options to add keyswitching or changing which groups are active based on MIDI CC, etc. No need for scripting (although a generic script for picking between any number of groups from a menu is quite simple to do).
Uncle E wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 12:05 pm
Is there any plugin or program/app (not necessarily a sampler plugin) that will record audio like hardware samplers, starting and stopping based on threshold?
CWITEC TX16WX does that, and I bet HALion too.

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KVRAF
2131 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Post Sun Jan 24, 2021 3:29 pm

Yes HALion does it. I have a project in Cubase with all notes sequentially, I hook up a hardware synth hit play and I get a full set of sampled notes - you can also set the format of the file names which I think means some other samplers then recognise them when you drag them onto another sampler.

Sample Robot I think does a similar thing but it's more sophisticated, not something I need for the relatively few samples I create for my own use.

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