I used to set making an image to sonification task for my uni students years ago - that is not the difficult bit, the interesting bit is to make a musical application of that, to do something interesting - which Harmor might do as well (Kaleidoscope does as well)
Bargain Center: discussion, gossip, etc.
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- KVRAF
- 2357 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
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- KVRist
- 105 posts since 18 Sep, 2004
Similar question except with regards to BreakTweaker Expanded... was $24.50 yesterday; back at $249 today.Musical Gym wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:54 am Was the stutter edit special for $24.50 removed at jrrshop.com?
I was getting ready to purchase and it appears to be gone.
Just checked Stutter Edit and it is showing as $24.50 for me now?
You can also grab both for $49
Uncle E will have all the answers.
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- KVRist
- 36 posts since 29 May, 2007
Now its changed too, damn!Chapelle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:09 pmThomann has it for around €25:JunSev wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:23 pm I would like to pick Iris 2 only with the discount from the bundle with trash 2, im not interested in trash 2, very early in the morning was available for around 25$ in JRRshop and it was even in my cart, after some hours the price went to the normal 149$, I don't know what just happened, hope he can fix this.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/izotope_iris_2.htm
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- KVRian
- 629 posts since 31 Oct, 2009
Anyone recall what the best price ever has been for D16 Silverline and Everything bundles?
Thomann has it right now for 199 euro.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/d16_group_sil ... ection.htm
Uncle E, can you beat that? Edit: I just realized that $199 euro is $227 dollars which is your current price. Yes. I'm tired tonight.
Also, I've never shared publicly in detail each year (Since 2001 or so. Or was it 1997?) how much I spend in this niche. It's a lot. I usually just buy my stuff and share about a few issues I've had. But I'll share here the other deals on my buy list so far for this BF. Maybe it'll help others not miss a deal and it'll help me consolidate my list. I typically put all this into a tracking spreadsheet and reorder them based on desire and discount percentage. But I'll share here this year. I think I spend enough to get preferred treatment by these companies but seldom do sadly. Wished sellers would actually have "Customer loyalty" built into their discount offerings. It seems many actually ding us for having supported them over the years and give better deals to new customers.
And because I've been treated so well by Uncle E, this year I'm going to ask him for his best pricing instead of spreading my purchases around to all the other sites. Only if he doesn't offer them for the best price will I purchase elsewhere. Thank you Unc. You're the nicest to us.
Anyway, these are all items I don't own yet and am looking at. I may grab them all:
Studio One Pro 4 Upgrade from 3. $74.50 @JRR.
https://www.jrrshop.com/presonus-studio ... al-upgrade
Mastering the Mix Animate Grow $5.50 @JRR. (Cheap nobrainer. I'll check it out). Won't pay what they want for the full pak. I'll wait for them all to come down.
https://www.jrrshop.com/mastering-the-mix-animate-grow
Toontrack EZMix 2 $39 @ JRR - (Always thought of this as a toy, as I'd NEVER mix this way but for that price it gives lots of different sounds for sculpting other things. Kind of a pedalboard for the entire mix or individual channels depending on application. Finally cheap enough to be interesting. Packs are still overpriced. Might buy a few if on deep discount sales over the coming years.)
https://www.jrrshop.com/toontrack-ezmix
Eventide Mangledverb at Thomann for 29 Euro. (Oops. I already own this in Anthology XI).
https://www.thomann.de/gb/eventide_mangledverb.htm
Loom II upgrade for $30 @JRR. AIR added this after I bought the AIEP3 Premiere bundle. So I don't think I get it, right?
https://www.jrrshop.com/air-music-tech-loom-upgrade
DB33 for $20 at JRR. Air added this too after I bought the AIEP3 Premiere bundle two years ago. So I don't think it's in mine and I either have to upgrade the entire package for $50 I believe? Or just buy these two upgrades to be current. Please share if I'm mistaken.
https://www.jrrshop.com/air-music-tech-db-33
For those who don't own AIEP3 yet, the cheapest route now is to get any Sonivox product cheap then buy the uprade to AIEP3 for $50. I spent $130 for it 3 years ago and then saw it plummet to $79. Now it's $50. Great deal. And Twist 2 and Wobble are like $4 right now on sale at JRR. So do it.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/vi ... on-upgrade
75% off Akai VIP 3.1 Standard, now $39.99 instead of $149.99:
https://www.jrrshop.com/akai-vip-standard
Since I have the AIR AIEP3 Premiere everything bundle I don't need the "Plus" version of this, right?
Looking at upgrading my Izotope MPB1 (from last year) to MPS2 for $299 (Or choosing the upgrade from any advanced" option for $299. I guess that way I don't have to turn in all the stuff from MPB1? And could resell those? Even though I never resell anything... lol.
Edit: Only $266 at JRR! https://www.jrrshop.com/izotope-music-p ... e-advanced
Looking at upgrading my IK Total Studio Max 1 that I just bought a few months ago to TSMax 2 for $187 with a 25% off coupon code. (Currently upgrade price is $249 for me). That gives me Modo Bass, Fender Collection 2, Ampeg SVX Collection 2 and the Fulltone Collection only though I think as I already own Lurssen and Syntronik. Doesn't include The Leslie collection, right? Doesn't include Syntronik Deluxe either... So kinda expensive for the upgrade I think. I contacted them and they had absolutely ZERO interest in me or my customer loyalty with them for 10+ years nor the fact I already own Lurssen and Syntronik. E.g. no credit AT ALL for already purchasing those and TSM1 so recently.
So some advice for the rest of you, DON'T EVER BUY SINGLE LICENSES FROM IK. ONLY BUY Total Studio MAX after purchasing ONE qualifying product. That way you pay the least. Unlike trusting me who has spent probably $1500-$2000 over the years with them and could have spent like $700. E.g. one $99 product and then the TSMAX2 upgrade for like $599. Do it that way. Don't do the group buys either. Just go straight to TSMax. That is where the smart money is. It's not a BF price, so can wait. (More bad marketing strategy from them...)
Syntronik Deluxe upgrade for me is $53 right now from JRR.
https://www.jrrshop.com/ik-multimedia-s ... xe-upgrade
Overloud Dopamine is $29 at JRR.
https://www.jrrshop.com/overloud-gem-dopamine
Polyverse I Wish at Audiodeluxe for $33.95 with coupon code BLACK2018. Always liked the results it gave but they've had it overpriced for way too long now. Been waiting. Similar to Sugar Bytes Effectrix in results but even more musical.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/polyverse-i-wish
Polyverse gatekeeper for $19. (I could swear I bought this already...)
https://www.jrrshop.com/polyverse-gatekeeper
Manipulator is here for $59 or all three in the bundle for $99
https://www.jrrshop.com/polyverse
Beetskillz Reelight for $19 at Audiodeluxe. (Yes, I'm a sucker for tape plugins. Even from 3rd tier beatskillz.
)
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/au ... z-reelight
Acon digital Verberate for $29 at Audiodeluxe. Great sounding little reverb and I collect reverbs.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/ac ... -verberate
Kuassa Amplification One at Audiodeluxe for $15.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/au ... kation-one
Actually $13.34 at JRR: https://www.jrrshop.com/kaussa-amplifikation-one-20194
Harrison has dropped their prices on their overpriced new EQ offerings. Now $29 each. Finally interesting.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/brand/harrison-consoles
BBE Stompboard and Sweet. For $29 and $49 each respectively.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/brand/bbe-sound
Nomad Factory Magma is $29 right now. I own everything from them except this and Drum Tools, which is still too expensive to me at $39.
https://www.jrrshop.com/nomad-factory-magma
Waves pricing back on 8 Oct had me getting Mercury + Studio Classics for around $380 or so if I remember right from everyplugin. They give you 25% off of whatever Waves quotes you in your "Upgrade page" at waves.com. So go there and then ask Koby. Waiting to see if Waves come close to their Oct 8th pricing this BF. I may finally get it. And this is another one where I should have just bought Mercury from day one instead of spending so much on singles...
Arturia V6 upgrade for $99. (Still debating. I'm on the fence. I like to reward companies for offering attractive prices for their efforts. And I own three of their keyboards (88, 61 and 25). But their "Lowest price EVER" claim deserves being boycotted perhaps. We'll see.. I like their gen 3 browser updates.
Been eyeing the Omega collection for three years now from Soundiron. This is another one where you don't want to buy singles from them. Just get Omega from the start and save the most. $999 and sometimes cheaper at certain retailers if you look during BF. E.g. I was $800 last year at one retailer.
https://soundiron.com/products/the-omeg ... count-plan
Lastly the venerable and #1 EQ we all either already use or have been wanting to once the price dropped, the ProQ2 from FabFilter. $119 right now. Think I'll still wait. Still too expensive. I have many others almost or just as good.
Here are some that may interest others: (Too bad Slate is on my S#$t list or I'd have 100% bought all of these this week: (Still want to, but am keeping to my word.)
Steven Slate Trigger 2 is $49 at JRR. Cheapest I've seen it.
Slate SSD5 upgrade is $79 right now until the end of the month.
Slate Virtual Buss Compressors is $49 right now at audiodeluxe. Very cheap for this. I own it and it sounds great.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/sl ... ompressors
Eiosis Air for 38 Euro at Thomann.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/eiosis_air_ea ... _vmr_2.htm
I already own these but others may find this a great deal. I would have snapped it up a few years ago as I paid more.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/au ... ded-bundle for $50.
Output.com Everything bundle. Now lists as $494 for me. Down from the shocking $560 it went up to after originally being $401. They replied with the "We can offer you $50 immediate refund after purchase to make it up to you" line. Well I'm still deciding. If $50 off of $494, bringing it down to $444, then maybe that's close enough for the quality and quantity of their offerings. Still deciding...
Also thinking about upgrading my Rob Papen Explorer v3 to v5 for $150. But I don't think it's a BF price so can wait.
Summary:
Holy Crap! I didn't think I still had THAT much stuff on my want list!
Yes I'm collecting for the sake of collecting at this point. Yes, it's irrational and incredibly ironic considering my name. Yes I've got GAS. Yes I thought I took the red pill last year and now it seems I've taken the blue pill again. And yes I don't need any of it. It's habit. Which is another reason I think companies should treat me and others like us with loyalty pricing and the kindest treatment.
Have fun guys this BF season.
I'll update this and share how much I spent.
PS, I'm scared to total all this up as it looks like it'll bust through my few thousand budget for this BF... And the more I look at it the more crazy and unnecessary it is.
Hey, maybe all I have to do is post it, look at it, then decide to not bother. Sounding like the 'rational' choice. lol. Still hope this post helps others.
All the best this Thanksgiving to you all.
R
TL:DR I'm a crazy irrational shopper and have been told that in person when someone I know saw my shopping cart while we were standing in the checkout isle together. Now you can say the same.
Thomann has it right now for 199 euro.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/d16_group_sil ... ection.htm
Uncle E, can you beat that? Edit: I just realized that $199 euro is $227 dollars which is your current price. Yes. I'm tired tonight.
Also, I've never shared publicly in detail each year (Since 2001 or so. Or was it 1997?) how much I spend in this niche. It's a lot. I usually just buy my stuff and share about a few issues I've had. But I'll share here the other deals on my buy list so far for this BF. Maybe it'll help others not miss a deal and it'll help me consolidate my list. I typically put all this into a tracking spreadsheet and reorder them based on desire and discount percentage. But I'll share here this year. I think I spend enough to get preferred treatment by these companies but seldom do sadly. Wished sellers would actually have "Customer loyalty" built into their discount offerings. It seems many actually ding us for having supported them over the years and give better deals to new customers.
And because I've been treated so well by Uncle E, this year I'm going to ask him for his best pricing instead of spreading my purchases around to all the other sites. Only if he doesn't offer them for the best price will I purchase elsewhere. Thank you Unc. You're the nicest to us.
Anyway, these are all items I don't own yet and am looking at. I may grab them all:
Studio One Pro 4 Upgrade from 3. $74.50 @JRR.
https://www.jrrshop.com/presonus-studio ... al-upgrade
Mastering the Mix Animate Grow $5.50 @JRR. (Cheap nobrainer. I'll check it out). Won't pay what they want for the full pak. I'll wait for them all to come down.
https://www.jrrshop.com/mastering-the-mix-animate-grow
Toontrack EZMix 2 $39 @ JRR - (Always thought of this as a toy, as I'd NEVER mix this way but for that price it gives lots of different sounds for sculpting other things. Kind of a pedalboard for the entire mix or individual channels depending on application. Finally cheap enough to be interesting. Packs are still overpriced. Might buy a few if on deep discount sales over the coming years.)
https://www.jrrshop.com/toontrack-ezmix
Eventide Mangledverb at Thomann for 29 Euro. (Oops. I already own this in Anthology XI).
https://www.thomann.de/gb/eventide_mangledverb.htm
Loom II upgrade for $30 @JRR. AIR added this after I bought the AIEP3 Premiere bundle. So I don't think I get it, right?
https://www.jrrshop.com/air-music-tech-loom-upgrade
DB33 for $20 at JRR. Air added this too after I bought the AIEP3 Premiere bundle two years ago. So I don't think it's in mine and I either have to upgrade the entire package for $50 I believe? Or just buy these two upgrades to be current. Please share if I'm mistaken.
https://www.jrrshop.com/air-music-tech-db-33
For those who don't own AIEP3 yet, the cheapest route now is to get any Sonivox product cheap then buy the uprade to AIEP3 for $50. I spent $130 for it 3 years ago and then saw it plummet to $79. Now it's $50. Great deal. And Twist 2 and Wobble are like $4 right now on sale at JRR. So do it.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/vi ... on-upgrade
75% off Akai VIP 3.1 Standard, now $39.99 instead of $149.99:
https://www.jrrshop.com/akai-vip-standard
Since I have the AIR AIEP3 Premiere everything bundle I don't need the "Plus" version of this, right?
Looking at upgrading my Izotope MPB1 (from last year) to MPS2 for $299 (Or choosing the upgrade from any advanced" option for $299. I guess that way I don't have to turn in all the stuff from MPB1? And could resell those? Even though I never resell anything... lol.
Edit: Only $266 at JRR! https://www.jrrshop.com/izotope-music-p ... e-advanced
Looking at upgrading my IK Total Studio Max 1 that I just bought a few months ago to TSMax 2 for $187 with a 25% off coupon code. (Currently upgrade price is $249 for me). That gives me Modo Bass, Fender Collection 2, Ampeg SVX Collection 2 and the Fulltone Collection only though I think as I already own Lurssen and Syntronik. Doesn't include The Leslie collection, right? Doesn't include Syntronik Deluxe either... So kinda expensive for the upgrade I think. I contacted them and they had absolutely ZERO interest in me or my customer loyalty with them for 10+ years nor the fact I already own Lurssen and Syntronik. E.g. no credit AT ALL for already purchasing those and TSM1 so recently.
So some advice for the rest of you, DON'T EVER BUY SINGLE LICENSES FROM IK. ONLY BUY Total Studio MAX after purchasing ONE qualifying product. That way you pay the least. Unlike trusting me who has spent probably $1500-$2000 over the years with them and could have spent like $700. E.g. one $99 product and then the TSMAX2 upgrade for like $599. Do it that way. Don't do the group buys either. Just go straight to TSMax. That is where the smart money is. It's not a BF price, so can wait. (More bad marketing strategy from them...)
Syntronik Deluxe upgrade for me is $53 right now from JRR.
https://www.jrrshop.com/ik-multimedia-s ... xe-upgrade
Overloud Dopamine is $29 at JRR.
https://www.jrrshop.com/overloud-gem-dopamine
Polyverse I Wish at Audiodeluxe for $33.95 with coupon code BLACK2018. Always liked the results it gave but they've had it overpriced for way too long now. Been waiting. Similar to Sugar Bytes Effectrix in results but even more musical.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/polyverse-i-wish
Polyverse gatekeeper for $19. (I could swear I bought this already...)
https://www.jrrshop.com/polyverse-gatekeeper
Manipulator is here for $59 or all three in the bundle for $99
https://www.jrrshop.com/polyverse
Beetskillz Reelight for $19 at Audiodeluxe. (Yes, I'm a sucker for tape plugins. Even from 3rd tier beatskillz.
)https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/au ... z-reelight
Acon digital Verberate for $29 at Audiodeluxe. Great sounding little reverb and I collect reverbs.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/ac ... -verberate
Kuassa Amplification One at Audiodeluxe for $15.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/au ... kation-one
Actually $13.34 at JRR: https://www.jrrshop.com/kaussa-amplifikation-one-20194
Harrison has dropped their prices on their overpriced new EQ offerings. Now $29 each. Finally interesting.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/brand/harrison-consoles
BBE Stompboard and Sweet. For $29 and $49 each respectively.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/brand/bbe-sound
Nomad Factory Magma is $29 right now. I own everything from them except this and Drum Tools, which is still too expensive to me at $39.
https://www.jrrshop.com/nomad-factory-magma
Waves pricing back on 8 Oct had me getting Mercury + Studio Classics for around $380 or so if I remember right from everyplugin. They give you 25% off of whatever Waves quotes you in your "Upgrade page" at waves.com. So go there and then ask Koby. Waiting to see if Waves come close to their Oct 8th pricing this BF. I may finally get it. And this is another one where I should have just bought Mercury from day one instead of spending so much on singles...
Arturia V6 upgrade for $99. (Still debating. I'm on the fence. I like to reward companies for offering attractive prices for their efforts. And I own three of their keyboards (88, 61 and 25). But their "Lowest price EVER" claim deserves being boycotted perhaps. We'll see.. I like their gen 3 browser updates.
Been eyeing the Omega collection for three years now from Soundiron. This is another one where you don't want to buy singles from them. Just get Omega from the start and save the most. $999 and sometimes cheaper at certain retailers if you look during BF. E.g. I was $800 last year at one retailer.
https://soundiron.com/products/the-omeg ... count-plan
Lastly the venerable and #1 EQ we all either already use or have been wanting to once the price dropped, the ProQ2 from FabFilter. $119 right now. Think I'll still wait. Still too expensive. I have many others almost or just as good.
Here are some that may interest others: (Too bad Slate is on my S#$t list or I'd have 100% bought all of these this week: (Still want to, but am keeping to my word.)
Steven Slate Trigger 2 is $49 at JRR. Cheapest I've seen it.
Slate SSD5 upgrade is $79 right now until the end of the month.
Slate Virtual Buss Compressors is $49 right now at audiodeluxe. Very cheap for this. I own it and it sounds great.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/sl ... ompressors
Eiosis Air for 38 Euro at Thomann.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/eiosis_air_ea ... _vmr_2.htm
I already own these but others may find this a great deal. I would have snapped it up a few years ago as I paid more.
https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/au ... ded-bundle for $50.
Output.com Everything bundle. Now lists as $494 for me. Down from the shocking $560 it went up to after originally being $401. They replied with the "We can offer you $50 immediate refund after purchase to make it up to you" line. Well I'm still deciding. If $50 off of $494, bringing it down to $444, then maybe that's close enough for the quality and quantity of their offerings. Still deciding...
Also thinking about upgrading my Rob Papen Explorer v3 to v5 for $150. But I don't think it's a BF price so can wait.
Summary:
Holy Crap! I didn't think I still had THAT much stuff on my want list!
Yes I'm collecting for the sake of collecting at this point. Yes, it's irrational and incredibly ironic considering my name. Yes I've got GAS. Yes I thought I took the red pill last year and now it seems I've taken the blue pill again. And yes I don't need any of it. It's habit. Which is another reason I think companies should treat me and others like us with loyalty pricing and the kindest treatment.
Have fun guys this BF season.
I'll update this and share how much I spent.
PS, I'm scared to total all this up as it looks like it'll bust through my few thousand budget for this BF... And the more I look at it the more crazy and unnecessary it is.
Hey, maybe all I have to do is post it, look at it, then decide to not bother. Sounding like the 'rational' choice. lol. Still hope this post helps others.
All the best this Thanksgiving to you all.
R
TL:DR I'm a crazy irrational shopper and have been told that in person when someone I know saw my shopping cart while we were standing in the checkout isle together. Now you can say the same.
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- KVRAF
- 2797 posts since 26 Jul, 2015 from Philadelphia
Those of us who have been around for more than a year are aware of your quirks. I just hope everything remains to be fun, because if it is not, irrational shopping becomes an issue.
As for me, most of my budget went into hardware this year. I had the Sensel Morph, the Roli Lightpad Block M, and the Audeze iSine20 on my shopping list for a long time. And as these things go, all of them went on sale.
Happy Thanksgiving to you, too!
Follow me on Youtube for videos on spatial and immersive audio production.
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- KVRian
- 1091 posts since 13 Mar, 2008 from Arnhem, Netherlands
Uncle E,Uncle E wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:00 am Up to 90% off iZotope, including $49 for iZotope Stutter Edit + BreakTweaker Expanded Bundle, $49 for Iris 2 + Trash 2 Bundle, $99 each for Ozone 8 Standard and Neutron 2 Standard, $149 for Mix and Master Bundle, and more:
https://www.jrrshop.com/izotope?dir=des ... _from_date
Earlier, you had the individual items from these bundles up at the sale price as well.
Is that still an option?
I'm interested in Iris 2 but already own Trash 2...
Thanks!
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- KVRian
- 679 posts since 27 Nov, 2017 from CO, USA
I read your full post with interest, thanks for sharing. Happy Thanksgiving.
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- KVRAF
- 16385 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
They did 50% last year. They haven't told me anything yet but they didn't give me advance notice last year, either.hhuang9611 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:27 am 1) Will waldorf have any sale coming up? I am looking forward to getting the Largo
How about I replace Trash 2 in the bundle with Stutter Edit? Would that work for you?2)Is it possible for me to buy Izotope Iris 2 only with some discount instead of the bundle with Trash 2? Because I got trash 2 already with my MPS
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- KVRAF
- 16385 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
With the Mix and Master Bundle, you get both for $74.50 each. After all discounts, it works out to being $62.58 each.
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- KVRAF
- 16385 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Thanks!
The sale has started. There will also be a new round of sales on Cyber Monday but you should definitely get the Soundtoys 5 Bundle during the first round.
https://www.jrrshop.com/computer-softwa ... ate&sale=1
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- KVRAF
- 16385 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Yes, PM and I'll beat it.Teksonik wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:41 pm Can you beat this price on the AIEP3 upgrade ?
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... E-UPGRADE-
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- KVRian
- 827 posts since 14 Sep, 2017
At the end I got it from thoman for 20.58€ with paypal (almost like it was in JRRshop), and yeah is not available like that anymore, it seems that the key is jump really quick when those deals are around or it could dissappear any time unexpectedly.everzine wrote: ↑Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:16 pmNow its changed too, damn!Chapelle wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:09 pmThomann has it for around €25:JunSev wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:23 pm I would like to pick Iris 2 only with the discount from the bundle with trash 2, im not interested in trash 2, very early in the morning was available for around 25$ in JRRshop and it was even in my cart, after some hours the price went to the normal 149$, I don't know what just happened, hope he can fix this.
https://www.thomann.de/gb/izotope_iris_2.htm
The synth/sampler edithor Is heavy in CPU but I like it a lot...
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- KVRAF
- 16385 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
They have mentioned adding products but I don't know what they are yet.classicalaudionewbie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:25 pm Anyone know if softube will be having a sale this week? Wonder what kind of discount Weiss DS1-MK3 might get.
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- KVRAF
- 16385 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
No!
Yes!- any MusicLab deals in the horizon?