Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:11 am

simmo75 wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:03 am
Neon Breath wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:52 am
No discount for actual V1 customers?

Fail. No thanks, no way I'll pay twice for that.
How do you discount free? ;)
Rebate? :shrug:

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Harry_HH
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4222 posts since 4 Aug, 2006 from Helsinki

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:10 am

TS has been in my fx tool bag for some time. TS2 appears to me more like a unnecessary face lift. No new feature.
Time to time feels like the fx sound quality had improved, dunno.

Luckily both versions remain in your computer.

elxsound
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6019 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:12 am

Harry_HH wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:10 am
TS has been in my fx tool bag for some time. TS2 appears to me more like a unnecessary face lift. No new feature.
Time to time feels like the fx sound quality had improved, dunno.

Luckily both versions remain in your computer.
When they reference time stretching... Is this extreme stretching?

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fmr
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9688 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:16 am

elxsound wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:12 am
Harry_HH wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:10 am
TS has been in my fx tool bag for some time. TS2 appears to me more like a unnecessary face lift. No new feature.
Time to time feels like the fx sound quality had improved, dunno.

Luckily both versions remain in your computer.
When they reference time stretching... Is this extreme stretching?
Yes... VERY extreme.
Fernando (FMR)

elxsound
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6019 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:20 am

fmr wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:16 am
elxsound wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:12 am
Harry_HH wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:10 am
TS has been in my fx tool bag for some time. TS2 appears to me more like a unnecessary face lift. No new feature.
Time to time feels like the fx sound quality had improved, dunno.

Luckily both versions remain in your computer.
When they reference time stretching... Is this extreme stretching?
Yes... VERY extreme.
Ugh... Might pick this up then. Then back to saving for Microsmic

I just saw lots of mentions of copy and pasting and pitch shifting. Their demos barely adjust much... but extreme is missing from my toolbox.

Neon Breath
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3634 posts since 15 Sep, 2010

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:05 am

Harry_HH wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:10 am
TS has been in my fx tool bag for some time. TS2 appears to me more like a unnecessary face lift. No new feature.
Time to time feels like the fx sound quality had improved, dunno.

Luckily both versions remain in your computer.
I'm in the same boat as you. Too bad indeed they didn't update with new transformation features and set of tools to truly affect the sound, not mostly just a cosmetic & navigation update.
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fmr
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Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:36 am

Neon Breath wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:05 am
Harry_HH wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:10 am
TS has been in my fx tool bag for some time. TS2 appears to me more like a unnecessary face lift. No new feature.
Time to time feels like the fx sound quality had improved, dunno.

Luckily both versions remain in your computer.
I'm in the same boat as you. Too bad indeed they didn't update with new transformation features and set of tools to truly affect the sound, not mostly just a cosmetic & navigation update.
That would be Audiosculpt (which is where TS comes from). Yes, it would have been great :-)
Fernando (FMR)

ians
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214 posts since 26 Oct, 2004 from U.K.

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:46 am

The fun starts when you bring in the automation curves. Where these in v1?
I don't remember, but I like the update, especially when it's free

Although they seem to have removed the extreme time stretch I'm sure it used to go to 100x. Assigning MIDI controllers to parameters is great fun though
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Calenberger
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1648 posts since 8 Sep, 2019 from Calenberg

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:26 pm

lnikj wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:37 am
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:23 am
zyzygis wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:11 am
The stretching is very good
It always was, albeit within a certain range. Have they now expanded the stretching into 'creative' territories, a la PaulStretch?

Cheers :tu:
No, they've reduced it. You could do 100* in v1 but only 10* in v2 as far as I can determine.
AFAIK it's now only between 4x and 0.25x time stretch.
Seems to be aimed more at the production than the creative use.
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801 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 1:18 pm

in the manual they mention "Midi Tools TBA" so if it eventually allowed automation of midi parameters and/or using external controllers to play live to disc that would be good. At the current $29 it does seem worth a punt even just for those times when I wished a (mastered) piece had just held a note/chord/reverb tail just a bit longer. Also the noise/tone/transient extraction would be handy automated - maybe a bit better than Melodyne and other techniques for that

Also do IRCAM allow license transfers?

elxsound
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6019 posts since 18 Aug, 2007 from NYC

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:01 pm

Calenberger wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:26 pm
lnikj wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:37 am
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:23 am
zyzygis wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:11 am
The stretching is very good
It always was, albeit within a certain range. Have they now expanded the stretching into 'creative' territories, a la PaulStretch?

Cheers :tu:
No, they've reduced it. You could do 100* in v1 but only 10* in v2 as far as I can determine.
AFAIK it's now only between 4x and 0.25x time stretch.
Seems to be aimed more at the production than the creative use.
eh, x4 and x.25 is nothing crazy. I'd be interested at Paul Stretch levels .

I'll have to check out some practical uses because I'm not getting/understanding why I personally would use this... which is not a bad thing (since $29 would be saved).

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KVRian
801 posts since 4 Jul, 2019

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:13 pm

elxsound wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:01 pm
Calenberger wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:26 pm
lnikj wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:37 am
el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:23 am
zyzygis wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:11 am
The stretching is very good
It always was, albeit within a certain range. Have they now expanded the stretching into 'creative' territories, a la PaulStretch?

Cheers :tu:
No, they've reduced it. You could do 100* in v1 but only 10* in v2 as far as I can determine.
AFAIK it's now only between 4x and 0.25x time stretch.
Seems to be aimed more at the production than the creative use.
eh, x4 and x.25 is nothing crazy. I'd be interested at Paul Stretch levels .

I'll have to check out some practical uses because I'm not getting/understanding why I personally would use this... which is not a bad thing (since $29 would be saved).
.25x to 10x as I demo it now. My main problem is it still has terrible warbling as you start pushing the parameters - just part of the algorithm - but pushing the parameters is where I'd like it to go

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resistent
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655 posts since 14 Apr, 2008 from Berlin

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:10 am

I was a bit excited about this. Especially for the price. However, after a short demo I left a bit underwhelmed. Sure the stretch and transpose algos are superb as well as the remix function (Sinus, Noise, Transient) but there are some flaws imho. A bit more audio editing functions (like Edison) and a better handling of plugins would be nice.

Even for the price right now I can not see that I would use this much. Maybe if it would be a plugin but for a standalone this is to fiddly and unsatisfying. I will test it more to see if my mind changes.

I know it's a different kind of product but I like Hourglass and PaulXStretch much more...

rj0
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384 posts since 18 Sep, 2010

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:13 pm

resistent wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:10 am
I was a bit excited about this. Especially for the price. However, after a short demo I left a bit underwhelmed. Sure the stretch and transpose algos are superb as well as the remix function (Sinus, Noise, Transient) but there are some flaws imho. A bit more audio editing functions (like Edison) and a better handling of plugins would be nice.

Even for the price right now I can not see that I would use this much. Maybe if it would be a plugin but for a standalone this is to fiddly and unsatisfying. I will test it more to see if my mind changes.

I know it's a different kind of product but I like Hourglass and PaulXStretch much more...
From the trial so far, agreed.

Looking for a video of it in basic (plus, optionally, creative), real-world, audio editing use (not just a promo video, solely of the specialty features). Is there one (or more) out there?

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ChamomileShark
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1834 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Re: Ircam Lab TS - Have you tried it?

Post Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:52 am

I only found videos for the older version. I wasn't too impressed with the stretch so I think I will give it a miss.

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