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tropicalontour · Post by **tropicalontour** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:08 am

Infallible rule of thumb: Always go with what sounds good to you.

Doesn't matter if it's analogue/digital, expensive/cheap.

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:29 am

tropicalontour wrote:Infallible rule of thumb: Always go with what sounds good to you.

Doesn't matter if it's analogue/digital, expensive/cheap.

And another one :

Do not try to hear what you are not (passively) hearing.

If it sounds good, it IS good. if you constantly seek for a "BETTER", quit making music and go to the beach or somethin... (I wonder if in the old days they used to compare - ALL THE TIME - the Lex vs TC vs AKG vs Roland ..)

trance_lucent · Post by **trance_lucent** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:38 am

mandolarian wrote: A blind test for a reverb? Is there an objective international standard for reverb testing? Removing subjectivity from a creative tool, renders it useless, for me.

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We want them to change the signal. We can only argue which plugin distorted the signal best, in our opinion. Viva La Subjectivity!

Well, there are 2 components of subjectivity in reverb sound perception by sound engineer. 1 - the sound. 2. GUI, developer name, price, reviews and other inrelevant to sound stuff. And blind tests is a good (the only?) way to remove these "type 2" subjectivities from the comparison.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:25 pm

Yet you make ostfront's choice sound bad somehow? Or is that just how you express yourself?

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:44 pm

what do i use if i want to simulate a camp fire in the outside? for example in a forest at night?

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:29 pm

Caine123 wrote:what do i use if i want to simulate a camp fire in the outside? for example in a forest at night?

Gasoline!

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:58 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
Caine123 wrote:what do i use if i want to simulate a camp fire in the outside? for example in a forest at night?
Gasoline!

I think the wood is the important component

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:08 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Caine123 wrote:what do i use if i want to simulate a camp fire in the outside? for example in a forest at night?
Gasoline!
I think the wood is the important component

Ahh, matches then

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:30 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
pdxindy wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
Caine123 wrote:what do i use if i want to simulate a camp fire in the outside? for example in a forest at night?
Gasoline!
I think the wood is the important component
Ahh, matches then

A forest is essentially a feed-forward reverb. Enclosed rooms have sound waves that bounce back and forth, so the sound can be approximated with recursive delay lines. In a forest, there is a lot more empty space, and the odds that a sound will bounce off of a tree, then off of another tree, then back to the listener, are much lower than the odds of hearing wall bounces in a room. So the best way to simulate a forest is to get an impulse response of a forest.

Sean Costello

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:49 pm

I should have a new beta available to test by the end of the day. The 1.0.1b11 release of ValhallaVintageVerb has the following changes:

- a few bug fixes for enhanced stability
- NEW REVERB MODE: Sanctuary.

Sanctuary is loosely inspired by the EMT250. With the Size set to 0% and the Attack set to 0%, the early reflections should be similar to an EMT250. There are a LOT of differences with the EMT250, though, the big one being that Sanctuary is not a "constant density" algorithm. The initial tap pattern and spatialization is similar to the EMT250, but the echo density builds over time.

In addition, I am using a somewhat different modulation technique than the EMT250. The examples of the EMT250 I have heard have a preset chorus depth, and totally randomized modulation. This works well when you have a maximum decay limited to 4.5 seconds, but when you increase the decay, and have modulation rate/depth controls in there, the randomized modulation can sound seasick. I used a "detuning" modulation, that preserves the pitch of the decay better, and also adds a lot of stereo width (the latter is due to a modulation technique I've never tried before, that I'm pretty excited about).

Please send me an email or PM (with your email address) if you are a user of the non-demo ValhallaVintageVerb plugin, and you want to test the new beta. I figure that a new reverb mode will get more people testing this, which will help ensure that the bug fixes I put in there are working.

Sean Costello

Endor-8o8 · Post by **Endor-8o8** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:05 pm

valhallasound wrote:I should have a new beta available to test by the end of the day. The 1.0.1b11 release of ValhallaVintageVerb has the following changes:

- a few bug fixes for enhanced stability
- NEW REVERB MODE: Sanctuary.

Sanctuary is loosely inspired by the EMT250. With the Size set to 0% and the Attack set to 0%, the early reflections should be similar to an EMT250. There are a LOT of differences with the EMT250, though, the big one being that Sanctuary is not a "constant density" algorithm. The initial tap pattern and spatialization is similar to the EMT250, but the echo density builds over time.

In addition, I am using a somewhat different modulation technique than the EMT250. The examples of the EMT250 I have heard have a preset chorus depth, and totally randomized modulation. This works well when you have a maximum decay limited to 4.5 seconds, but when you increase the decay, and have modulation rate/depth controls in there, the randomized modulation can sound seasick. I used a "detuning" modulation, that preserves the pitch of the decay better, and also adds a lot of stereo width (the latter is due to a modulation technique I've never tried before, that I'm pretty excited about).

Please send me an email or PM (with your email address) if you are a user of the non-demo ValhallaVintageVerb plugin, and you want to test the new beta. I figure that a new reverb mode will get more people testing this, which will help ensure that the bug fixes I put in there are working.

Sean Costello

Ahah I remember a previous post where you stated that this update won't contain any new reverb mode. Seems you are too much of a reverb-maniac Sean...

Thanks a lot for your amazing work ! (I'd be glad to test it, I'm gonna PM'd you right now)

valhallasound · Post by **valhallasound** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:10 pm

Endor-8o8 wrote: Ahah I remember a previous post where you stated that this update won't contain any new reverb mode. Seems you are too much of a reverb-maniac Sean...

The 1.0.1b5/b7 updates didn't contain a new reverb mode. This one does.

Sean Costello

Endor-8o8 · Post by **Endor-8o8** » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:15 pm

valhallasound wrote:
Endor-8o8 wrote: Ahah I remember a previous post where you stated that this update won't contain any new reverb mode. Seems you are too much of a reverb-maniac Sean...
The 1.0.1b5/b7 updates didn't contain a new reverb mode. This one does.

Sean Costello

So glad it does !!

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 9:19 am

Testing VVVs new Sactuary algo with VSL Overdrive Guitar:

http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/o ... tar-in-vvv

Great addition, Sean!

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:33 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:Testing VVVs new Sactuary algo with VSL Overdrive Guitar:

http://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/o ... tar-in-vvv

Great addition, Sean!

Fabulous demo, SC. Great work, Sean.

ValhallaVintageVerb 1.7.1. Two new reverb modes (Chaotic Hall, Chaotic Chamber)