FabFilter Pro-Q 3

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PieBerger
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197 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Post Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:31 am

Kinh wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:12 pm
PieBerger wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:26 pm
Yeah I feel bad for FF, having to bear the brunt of their customers failing to read/demo and behave like reasonable adults. Per band external SC was never advertised, never promised and it was not possible to pre-order, yet some people feel like they have been robbed/deceived/short changed somehow. I don't recall anyone getting angry when Pro-C 2 was released and it didn't have any expansion algos, even though Pro-MB had them and why shouldn't there be crossover, FF are just being greedy etc.

Dynamic EQ has been the most requested new plugin/enhancement in the FF forum for years and they delivered on it. There's no reason to assume that with rational and professional feedback from users, that external per band SC would not come as an update in the future.

Instead FF now has to bend to the will of entitled children, who couldn't be bothered to spend 5 mins to check that the most crucial feature for their workflow was included. This feature was not included in the release video, nor the usual DW features video that followed, nor in any written promotional literature so surely as a professional musician, you do the sensible, professional thing and demo the plugin/read the manual before parting with your money. What you certainly don't do is take to a public forum and start blaming the developer for your own failings. You did stupid, that's your own fault, take responsibility like an adult.
Adult = takes into account many sides of argument
child = only sees what it wants
Practice what you preach.

Being short changed for not having the features you require isn't childish. People pay a lot of money for these products, they're not cheap. I'm sorry that's so confusing for you.
Being short changed is being offered X and given X-1. When a demo was offered to try, a manual and promotional materials available to read and watch, nobody can claim that they were sold short on features that were never advertised/claimed in the first place. A product can fall short of your own expectations sure and as an existing, or potential new, customer you can express your opinions about why you're upset and make a case for future enhancements, but accusing the developer of deliberate underhanded misdeeds is slanderous and not constructive either. One user accused them of using dark arts marketing, implying deliberate attempts were made to make people believe that features were there when they were not. The release notes were pretty clear to me, as were both promo videos and nowhere did FF make any references to other plugins to trick you into thinking that any or all of the features in those plugins would be present in theirs.

I understand the bigger picture and the need and importance of customer feedback, but the clarity and worth of that bigger picture is sullied when people take it upon themselves to smear shit all over it.
Always Read the Manual!

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mrj1nx
KVRian
506 posts since 29 Nov, 2015

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:16 am

With the current winter sale I snagged this one today :D Looking forward to start employing it to improve my mixing. The thing I'm personally most excited about is the masking visualisation.

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e@rs
KVRAF
4014 posts since 15 Dec, 2011 from Bucharest, Romania

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:26 am

Armadillo wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:42 am
e@rs wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:47 am
FabFilter told me yesterday that the external sidechain for Pro-Q 3 is coming for sure in an update.

Unfortunately not by the end of this year.
In an email?
Yes.

perpetual3
KVRian
517 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:52 pm

PieBerger wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:31 am
Kinh wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:12 pm
PieBerger wrote:
Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:26 pm
Yeah I feel bad for FF, having to bear the brunt of their customers failing to read/demo and behave like reasonable adults. Per band external SC was never advertised, never promised and it was not possible to pre-order, yet some people feel like they have been robbed/deceived/short changed somehow. I don't recall anyone getting angry when Pro-C 2 was released and it didn't have any expansion algos, even though Pro-MB had them and why shouldn't there be crossover, FF are just being greedy etc.

Dynamic EQ has been the most requested new plugin/enhancement in the FF forum for years and they delivered on it. There's no reason to assume that with rational and professional feedback from users, that external per band SC would not come as an update in the future.

Instead FF now has to bend to the will of entitled children, who couldn't be bothered to spend 5 mins to check that the most crucial feature for their workflow was included. This feature was not included in the release video, nor the usual DW features video that followed, nor in any written promotional literature so surely as a professional musician, you do the sensible, professional thing and demo the plugin/read the manual before parting with your money. What you certainly don't do is take to a public forum and start blaming the developer for your own failings. You did stupid, that's your own fault, take responsibility like an adult.
Adult = takes into account many sides of argument
child = only sees what it wants
Practice what you preach.

Being short changed for not having the features you require isn't childish. People pay a lot of money for these products, they're not cheap. I'm sorry that's so confusing for you.
Being short changed is being offered X and given X-1. When a demo was offered to try, a manual and promotional materials available to read and watch, nobody can claim that they were sold short on features that were never advertised/claimed in the first place. A product can fall short of your own expectations sure and as an existing, or potential new, customer you can express your opinions about why you're upset and make a case for future enhancements, but accusing the developer of deliberate underhanded misdeeds is slanderous and not constructive either. One user accused them of using dark arts marketing, implying deliberate attempts were made to make people believe that features were there when they were not. The release notes were pretty clear to me, as were both promo videos and nowhere did FF make any references to other plugins to trick you into thinking that any or all of the features in those plugins would be present in theirs.

I understand the bigger picture and the need and importance of customer feedback, but the clarity and worth of that bigger picture is sullied when people take it upon themselves to smear shit all over it.
Absolutely agree with you. Very logical, rational thinking.

perpetual3
KVRian
517 posts since 28 Sep, 2012

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Tue Dec 25, 2018 8:54 pm

I also pulled the trigger due to the winter sale and EDU discount.

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david.beholder
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Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:54 am

PieBerger wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:31 am
One user accused them of using dark arts marketing, implying deliberate attempts were made to make people believe that features were there when they were not.
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Fleer
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Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

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Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:39 pm

david.beholder wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 11:54 am
PieBerger wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 12:31 am
One user accused them of using dark arts marketing, implying deliberate attempts were made to make people believe that features were there when they were not.
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MogwaiBoy
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3070 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:49 am

Where has the hype gone? I want to talk about this beautiful pile of code :)

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Ghost Dog
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186 posts since 2 Jun, 2015 from Belgrade, Serbia

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:59 am

MogwaiBoy wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:49 am
Where has the hype gone? I want to talk about this beautiful pile of code :)
Maybe the "upgrade crowd" is underwhelmed by the cost/benefit ratio of the upgrade?!

PieBerger
KVRist
197 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:15 am

Ghost Dog wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:59 am
MogwaiBoy wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:49 am
Where has the hype gone? I want to talk about this beautiful pile of code :)
Maybe the "upgrade crowd" is underwhelmed by the cost/benefit ratio of the upgrade?!
The mob will be back to it's usual hysteria as soon as they have implemented cross-instance/external side-chain, I'm sure of it!
Always Read the Manual!

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Ghost Dog
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186 posts since 2 Jun, 2015 from Belgrade, Serbia

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:50 am

PieBerger wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:15 am
Ghost Dog wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:59 am
MogwaiBoy wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:49 am
Where has the hype gone? I want to talk about this beautiful pile of code :)
Maybe the "upgrade crowd" is underwhelmed by the cost/benefit ratio of the upgrade?!
The mob will be back to it's usual hysteria as soon as they have implemented cross-instance/external side-chain, I'm sure of it!
Probably.

SteveWZ
KVRian
839 posts since 26 Feb, 2016

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:00 am

mrj1nx wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:16 am
With the current winter sale I snagged this one today :D Looking forward to start employing it to improve my mixing. The thing I'm personally most excited about is the masking visualisation.
Visually, all the FabFilter effects are first rate, they are just nice to look at.
They are also intuitively designed which makes them a pleasure to work with.

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Niowiad
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339 posts since 25 Jan, 2017

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:27 am

Attack-release on the dynamic eq would sell me the upgrade.
Until then I'm good with ProQ2. :harp:

MogwaiBoy
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3070 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Re: FabFilter Pro-Q 3

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:49 am

Another quirk is the dynamic side's threshold control - it has a big fader button thingy that gets in the way. Setting a really precise threshold so dynamics only activate on the peaks you want can be tricky - much easier in Neutron unfortunately.

Attack/release would be brill although I have to say that they have hit a very good compromise with simplicity as most of the time I don't feel I need it.

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